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  1. Topic Originally Created by Rahag in December of 2007: These are a couple we have done this year Was going through some pics and found. Thought you all might like. Jamie Dougherty Boy what eber that chassis is next to the last picture had a rough life. looks like what is left of a freightliner JAMIE DOUGHERTY JANEWAY TOWING kyresqtow said: It's only half a truck... keeps the weight down Rahag said: The white Freightliner in the second pic is one our driver took care of for us. we relocated the body and just sold what was left of the cab for scrap.
  2. Topic Created by Orcas Tow in December of 2007: Had some snow this morning after a freezing night, roads were slippery, I was in the truck from 7am-5pm. This was my second call, the young lady driver found herself out of control & decided to unbuckle & jump rather than ride it out, she said she got caught up in the belt with the door open but was able to free herself & land on the road before her car went 50' over a steep embankment to be stopped by a tree, lucky girl, dumb luck. Two lines, one to the front control arm & one to the rear, easy money. Orcas Tow said: Oh yeah it was the boyfriends uninsured car too, at least she paid me, guessing the boyfriend didn't make out so well... kyresqtow said: Oh I am sure he will be gettin paid one way or another
  3. Topic Started by an unknown member in December of 2007: This steel was scattered down the tracks for about a mile This truck is next to were the trailer ended up In a u shape It had to be cut into three pieces to be loaded on a landoll And here is Carrot Top doing what he does best (stand around and watch) Bill Paymard said: Wow, what a mess. Hope the tractor owner has some good insurance. wreckerman05 said: how long did it take to do the clean-up ??? the recovery would not have been to bad,but that metal would have taken quite awhile to get picked-up--good looking trucks you have also---
  4. Topic Originally Created by wreckmster in June of 2007: ere are some photos of trucks no longer with us. Our First wrecker... "HOOK" GMC with a 30 ton Wreckmaster rig Our second truck "THE BOSS" It was a slug. 318 Detroit engine(no turbo) with a 30 ton Wreckmaster rig with extendable booms. Our third truck. "BEAR" GMC with 25 ton Wreckmaster rig Early Fleet photo That's little ole me on the left with the baseball hat. My brother is next to me, then my father followed by two former employees. truck 4 Newer cab and chassis on original 30 ton Wreckmaster bed (loud Air starter) LOL Truck 6 we built for my brother. It was a 1980 brigadier and had a 25 ton wreckmaster rig with custom length booms. they were about 2 ft longer than the standard boom. Great towing unit Truck 6 is towing my first truck I built and drove.Which I drilled many a hole in the frame to build. Frame drills were heavy back then. It is also a Brigadier, but had the 30 ton body with the extendable booms from truck 2. My truck is being towed because I had a severe knee injury and would be out of work for awhile. He was towing it back to the shop. GMC General 30 ton unit (great truck) I spent most of my time in this unit. Our most disappointing truck 97 Freightliner with 25 ton Jerrdan unit I'll see If I can find some other pics FMS Mike said: Awesome Pics!!! Them are some hosses!! Michael ------Michael Vibert------- Da Wash Boss said: Those are some really nice trucks. Were you guys one of wreck masters biggest customers,,,,, Just some really nice units there. That road boss looks good as does the General. I notice in the first picture that "N" model Ford box truck in the background,, thats a nice truck also. Thanks for sharing you guys paid your dues over the years, nice trucks then and some nice ones now as well. Good luck in the future. Danny Cassello - TRPC - East Hartford, CT OldHolmes460user said: very nice collection of pics. How old is your family business? underdog said: Those were all great trucks. Bet you wish you kept at least one of them! Stay safe, Rich. wreckmster said: Thanks for the comments. Our Business was established in 1976. I do wish we still had the GMC General. All around good towing and winching truck. Rode like a brick though with the Hendrickson rears.. (Ouch) Gale25yrs said: Why was the Freightliner such a disappointment? Too heavy? wreckmster said: The Freightliner was just a trouble truck. It was cheaply made. The doors echo'd when you closed them. The visor kept falling off and cracking the roof. For some odd reason it squatted really easy even with increased air ride pressure. It had one of the early style Jerrdan rigs with the older lift cylinders. You know the ones that if you moved the boom under load and it was out of it's channel, the boom would shift and take out the fog light. You could use the winches, but not the boom under load. We had alot of problems with the rear axles. We would go through about 2 axles a year and that was with a good operator. It towed pretty well though, just wasn't very dependable. It struggled with dropped trailers and since the boomed moved, I was hesitant on send it out. I just cut my losses and sold it for a bigger truck. The tandem axle Pete/35 ton Jerrdan we replaced it with has been a good combination so far for the most part. Michael212 said: Thanks For Sharing! It's always pretty cool to see where you started and see where your at today. Keep up the Good Work! Michael Myers Heavytowman12 said: You had nice equipment back then just like you do now. Wreckmaster made a real nice rig.Operated one for a few years on a Autocar.Those Briggaders were real poplar trucks then. Bet you wish you still had one of those. Just for keep sake! fredstowingnj said: I remember the old Wreckmaster plant in Cranbury,NJ. Da Wash Boss said: Hey Fred, I never knew thats where the wreck master plant was. If I remember correctly I think Roadmasters Towing had some dodges or gmcs with wreck master units on them. I am not sure thought maybe you would know if not I bet Steve or Bob remembers. They were nice trucks. Danny Cassello - TRPC - East Hartford, CT geartow said: now if i could find parts for a wreckmaster 25 ton id love it FredsTowingnj said: Don't really know much about RoadMasters Steve or Bob would know more then me.But yes Wreckmaster's plant was on Cranbury South River Road in Cranbury,NJ Auto Rescue said: Worse yet I remember when they built it Recovery Inc said: Those wreckmasters looked alot like Holmes were they close in competition. Great pics thanks for showing. Chris Fontaine Interstate Towing Da Wash Boss said: QUOTE: "Those wreckmasters looked alot like Holmes were they close in competition." They may have looked close and they were great units but,,,,, There is nothing that comes close to a holmes. How many agree with me on that about Holmes. Danny Cassello - TRPC - East Hartford, CT wreckmster said: not much of a difference between the two really. The Wreckmaster winches were backwards.....basically they were practically duplicates. I wouldn't say Holmes was any better or worst.. I personally put my Wreckmasters to the test. They faired very well.. wstowing11 said: Bringing back memories of riding with Dad and the other guys when I was a little kid. When we sold them old trucks we really wanted to get the newer ones at the time, but it sure would be nice to have a few of them around to remember the good ol days !!
  5. Topic Originally Posted by Wreckman0920 in April of 2010: Just some random shots of the trucks and then I guess the model as some would call them Towthis2002 said: That happened during set-up at a training school. It was not over loaded. John wanted to show people the damage and what could have happened if one of your blocks is damaged on a recovery. WILDWOOD JACK said: What happened to cause that block to come apart? Acestowing said: Thanks for sharing some photos, Its been 4 years since I've been down, I definetly don't remeber seeing those ladies there! I'm curious on the block also? Bryce Weber - Aces Towing WM 091409 Level 6/7 WreckMan0920 said: I was hoping that someone from miller would explain the failure of the block in full but i will give the short version they where doing an upright on a t\t for a class when they started the lift this block failed and shot it up and over the casulality and landed between the tractor and trailer, when they found both pieces it was discovered that the piece on the sheve where the pin screws down onto it had two small cracks that caused the failure. If this is incorrect i hope that someone will correct me
  6. Topic Originally Created by 13thrattler in May of 2003: In the morning, I am going to hold another safety meeting, before the busy weekend begins, and we get scattered all over the state. I intend to re-cover the same topics. Safety vest Safety cones Overhead lights Operating controls from right side Use e-brake and scotch blocks Check fire ext. Re-stock first aid kits Backing up on shoulder Keep you mind on the task at hand (look at the girls latter) DON'T SPEED For the roll-backs Always use proper tie down holes (furnished there by the factory for a reason.) Two tie downs on rear (no exceptions) Safety chains or straps on front (in case something happens to the winch) Use mini-J, rocker, or T-hooks (don't need any torn C/V boots from J-hooks). For the W/Ls Check the condition of the tires on the ground Use W/L straps Use tow lights (if broke fix it now) Flats Move the vehicle off the road if possible Jack and jack stand Never let the customer help (if they could do it, we wouldn't be there) Accident scene Rubber gloves (aids and other things) Watch out for all the lookers (accidents are people magnets) Get the vehicle off the road first Clean roadway, and other debris, only if police are in control of traffic Check hook-up before leaving scene Again--don't let people help. OK folks------can you think of anything I should add to this list? Gilbert Freelance66 said: From where you are at, drinking plenty of fluids (preferably cold). And maybe having cold water for teh customer that was stuck in 100+ for an hour. That helps with referals later too....... Wes Wilburn said: wow that is a big list!... and all great points as well. just a suggestion to consider... maybe break those points down and try to mention them all, but then go in detail on some of them.. just a suggestion, Wes jrm698 said: good list keep it going!!! here are a few recovery's + flatbeds - always stand ( and others stand) more than the length of wire rope away, incase it snaps - never stand behind the car when winching it up the bed - when on the side ofthe road, the customer must be in the truck w/ his seat belt on - never operate the truck on the side of traffic - when on the sceen of an incident always pull off to the side out of the way, talk to the officer, wait for the go ahead, then plan your attack, the hook up, check the no's, exicute. -Jim WM 6/7B Be Safe Out There TowZone said: A long time ago I used to do just that and advise the customer they could sit in the cab while the vehicle was being recovered. But, I stop that due to there being more incidents which could occur that would had they been standing off the roadway. In the past 10 years I have not left anyone alone in the cab for more then a minute, then I was right next to the door. Once you've had things stolen from your cab you'll understand my reasons. 13thrattler said: Nov. 2008 WOW, how did this one come back to life? Gilbert TowZone said: Have the Safety Meetings continued? Have you checked your list and are you going to check it twice. Do you know who has been naughty and who has been in compliance? 13thrattler said: Ron, as of 7 months ago, my partner and I parted company. I could not afford to buy out his side of the business (the salvage yard), so, I sold him all my older trucks (4), I kept the '05 F650, and I am now a crew of one. It is no fun preaching to yourself. However, my son wants me to get another truck, and do the father and son thing. I am still thinking about that. But up until that time, Yes, I held safety meetings once a month. They sure got tired of me beating them into the ground with safety issues. But not a one of them had anything happen to them more serious than a paper cut. No accidents at all in 7 years, and only two insurance claims. And one of those insurance claims was my fault. Gilbert
  7. Topic originally created by A1TOWING in September of 2002: How much time should you allow to train a new driver?? Most of our drivers have had some experience and or knowledge of cars so it's just been a matter of seeing how they drive, hook and safety habits, and teaching our "system" you know...the usual. We just took in a "trainee" who has had driving experience, but not towing. I explain different things as we are driving and both show and let him do when we are hooking. His first day just happened he got a glimpse of medium, wheel lift, bang bar at an accident scene and flat bed towing. I figured it was a good training day as he got to experience a lot of different methods and kind of grasp the basic principles. Well, day 2 it seems like I had to start over from the beginning. I realize it's first hand to us and kinda Greek to him. Am I expecting too much?? When do you decide 'he just don't get it"?? We can't really devote a month of training so are we wasting our time ? Any input is appreciated....Thanks unknown member said: Yeah Buddy, You are expecting way too much. First of all anybody is gonna be a little nervous knowing that they are being scrutinized every move they make. I always was. Second, everybody needs a break in period,even people with experience have problems with learning new invoices and developing some kind of method or groove. He don't know jack and it sounds like you expected him to absorb and retain everything you showed him on the first day. One training method is to do things and explain to him what you are doing,next have him tell you what to do,and correct him when he's wrong,next have him do the work and explain to you while he's doing the task, might sound like a lot of bull to you but while you use this method you are helping him get the basics. Don't be so impatient,you guys hired him. Training takes time. Just make sure you get it across to him about SAFETY FIRST,money comes later. EricGodard CA said; Hey jim, It seemed like the perfect training day for you but for him it was probably a nightmare. To many methods to soon.I do most all training at your shop and I can tell ya that it takes a long time to train a good operator. We do mostly heavy work but the basics are all the same. All drivers are different for sure but no one will get it all in a day. I can spend a week just talking about the saftey aspects of towing.As for recovery in the heavy at least, Forget it I will be old and grey {well old i have no hair} and still hope to learn something new every day myself. proper training = saftey = everyone goes home at the end of the day !!! and eat twinkies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Eric Godard WM020116 6/7A A1TOWING said: Well, it looks like this driver is history allready. He was supposed to show at 8 am and didn't. No call, no nuttin. Thanks for the input though, you folks are right, I was kinda overwhelming him and expecting to much. I also got annoyed at the only questions he would ask are about pay, hours, commissions and days off. Nothing about the actual work involved. My gut instinct was he was not to bright or not into this towing thing. If my gut felt someone was really trying or interested, I think the patience would follow. We all learn something new everyday, either on purpose or by surprise. (don't wanna use that other word) Thanks again all......... unknown member said: first want here something funny .. fired one of my best drivers , made me most money worked longest hours .never cried . but was caught stealing ....... in walks this guy next day looking for job . fills out app. ran his lic . gave him road test . semi . wrecker . road test rollback same took this guy out in yard got . this test track . got me some inpound cars / worth 10.00 three on top of each other tied up . now tell this guy there is wreckers . there is roll backs there is a helper show me what you got .. now i allready know he has put on app . 14 years exp in towing same job in this tiny town 50 miles away . and something about this guy don't right . well he cuts loose man this guy is good i sit back on my golf cart watching him he"s good i mean real good so he unloads them and i ask him when can you start .he says tomorrow . i say well i can't have you put on insurance that fast take few days chech things out .. he says he also does mech work also . well i got this big ole caddy and this lincoln we were going to get ready for demo derby come in tomorrow you can start on that . he says ok this guy comes in 8am ready to work . knocks out caddy 2 hours ;; lincoln 2 hours . washes 4 trucks goes to lunch 30 minutes comes back cleans shop . goes with me does three fhp rotations time go home my wife and son are shoked me to we laugh and say thought you said i made mistate firing the other driver next morning guy comes to work hauls 5 cars . girl friend calls he's 45 years old she sounds young .. says for him call home his brother died ... he comes in yard crying caring on i give him 50.00 gas money he goes home . layter that day stop by his house to see what i can do . his brother ain't died this little 17 year old girl comes out i ask were he is , she says gone get her some ice cream . i ask who are you she says his girl friend, i call my son on radio to tell him whats going on .. he says better get to shop daddy you ain't gonna believe this the new driver has got these two guys wifes in rollback and they are looking for him and his girl friend is looking for her ice cream.. \ i go pulling up in yard and there is the two big ole boys with some big ole sticks hunting this driver .. he calls and says for us to come get the truck he is just to nervous to drive . he is looking for a job and has exp i will trade you A1TOWING said: Oh yeah Roy, It's amazing whats out there. Makes ya wonder how they get by in the world???? Just can't seem to find a few "normal" people to drive the trucks. We've had em that don't answer beepers, need to leave cause thier girlfreind needs em for some stupid thing, the worst is when we find they've been using the trucks for personal use. Just yesturday AM one asked if he could use the truck to go around the corner for breakfast. His ride to work had to go elsewhere he says. So I tell em thats just what the boss means, don't use the trucks for running around. We tell him Just go to the deli around the corner!!! A few minutes go by and we need him for a tow. Can't get him on the radio, beep him, no answer. So I drive around the block. he's not there. 25 minutes later he's on the radio...WHERE WERE YOU???? His answer. the bagel place didn't have the kind he likes so he went to another in a different town. What the ______ did we just say?????? His ride to work was 2 young chicks using his car and they all pulled away in the same direction. I'm tellin ya that SOB took the chicks to breakfast!!!!! Of course he denied it. What do you do?? Fire him and then what do you get. The adds go in the paper and all these misfits show up. Oh well, the search continues..... unknown member said: I know this probably ain't ann landers page . but here lately the better you are to them the worse they are to you . there is no being mr nice guy . man i hire em loan em money buy them washing machines . beds , cars . trucks . motorcycles . sure some of pay you back . now we got guys been here years. fired four this week been here long time rather do it our self than put up with a thieft, new hidden cameras comething else . wish i"Dhad it when dog got stolen but know who did it . he just made me so much was hard to admit it but fired him also was hard working with four drivers short this week . look at money we saved . and did not lose a customer . worst part about towing .. is having good help .. good help is hard to find . but were does these nuts come from are they putting my add in weirdo section or are they sniffin my racin fuel after they come to work for me ... guess i"m gonna call da Moose and see if he will let me and misses fill our surburban full of twinkies .load the boat and fishing poles before it gets to cold go north and catch some fish .. seen on map he lives close to some lakes . god knows we need a vacation maybee we could put some pontoons on sterling and take it out on lake michigan and check out the tranny -------------- jrm698 said: some of these tow drivers are something else.Jim WM 6/7B Be Safe Out There Wes Wilburn said: I believe people have different learning styles. One person may be able to retain information after being exposed to it one time. Others may need to be exposed to the same information several times before they retain it. And still others may need to be exposed to the same information many times, with no other information being given to them or they will confuse the two. This learning time could increase if the person feels nervous or pressure to perform. The persons learning style has nothing to do with their ability to perform the task you are learning. unknown member said: Heck, I ain't even in towing any more and I continue to learn more about it almost each and every day. Let's just say I consider it as broadening my knowledge horizons. unknown member said: If you are devoted to your carrer the learning proccess never ends. All our drivers go through two weeks in house training, this should be enough to put them on the road by themselves and they should be able to handle most common situations. We also send them to one of the three day workshops, ussually through AAA and continue with training on a regular basis. Iv had a few drivers that just barely cut it, and you know they wont be long with us but so far iv only had one person who after two weeks still couldnt run a tow truck. You just have to watch how thier doing and evaluate them as you go along. I noticed a couple years ago when i was training a new guy, he seemed to be doing very well, then we went out to tow a car for a couple cute girls and he seemed to take forever to do the hookup and i had to remind him of some basic things. Our next call was for a group of guys, my new driver was Mexican-American and so was this group, they started shooting the breeze in spanish and i noticed he was very relaxed and did a great job. I commented on this and he told me the young ladies did make him nervous, so take into account that a trainee is being scrutinized by not only the customer, but by you also and depending on the customer this can make some people very nervous. When i train, once i feel they have the hang of it i try to stay in the truck and let them handle it themselves. (i watch in the mirror and try not to let them see me watching) Steve TowMonster1962 said: I am still a greenhorn in the towing industry , Been driving for my boss for 12 years yesterday . He is great , he treats me like a person & I treat him & his wife with the respect they deserve . I am one of the training operators when the other 2 instructors are done with him/her I get him/her. We train 1 ton drivers for approximatly 1 week . If the driver has the knoledge he gets into his own wrecker. The owner of our company gets inducted to the "Friends Of Towing" hall of fame next week . Wish I could go but he needs us drivers to watch the shop . Way To Go "DAVID ROSS" Ross Services London Ontario Canada . It Is a great pleasure to work for him . He took me under his wing & I will never leave him or his wife . Like I said he is one of the best in the industry . Visit our page at www.rossservices.com . & keep the sunny side up . unknown member said: when i get to train a new driver, i start out with a ride along one day for the new driver just to see what we do if he or she thinks that towing is what they want to do, then we start in the yard all day just moving our old junk around you know dolly this dolly that and that is the way i start them out we work 3 days in the yard.. give them time to get comfy with the truck before we go out and start the real training! works for me bob unknown member said: I learn something new all the time I am out and I have been doing this line of work for about 15yrs now and enjoy learning and I dont know eveything either and I am also willing to learn and be taught unknown member said: we put our guys through two weeks of training to start and if they dont get the feel for it we put em with someone else to try for 2 or 3 more days. different people learn different and different people teach different. Ive had a trainee learn from me for two weeks and didn't click on the routine so i put him with another and he had em done in two days. I guess something clicked. unknown member said: i think being a driver myself if he is not out of the truck with in 3 days doing it all correct I think you should move on....He may just not be cut out for it....Or will cost you in the end! Just Me... TowKing Divor said: what we do is we send the trainie out with 4or 5 different drivers to learn the different technics for about 3 weeks then we set him or her loose in a truck and if a difficult job comes up we send a trainer along with the new driver to walk him or her through it. it has worked great ivor lstyba said: Divor, do you pay your trainee by the hour for the 3 weeks? Sounds to me like it is not a cost effective way of traing. It think 8 hrs in the yard for hook ups and back up driving practise and the driver should be ready to do calls. The recoveries or hard jobs I agree with you walk the employee thru at the time of the call. Just my opinion. 8hrs is negotiable to me, not everyone can learn or retain at the same rate. maybe 2 days 4 hr a day....Cya In the Ditch Larry Styba Cya In the Ditch Larry Styba WM# 011088 6/7 AC TowZone said: It's been a few years, but I would never let anyone out on their own until they had completed a minimum of 3 full days training. There is much more to the job then just towing. I've never seen any long term (more then a few weeks) success in just 8 hours. Even with the experienced operator it takes more then 8 hours to break the old habits. The way it was with me, if you didn't get it by the third day your walking. Training costs money, damage costs even more. It would be great if the industry afforded the opportunity to send each driver through a regional training program of your choice. However the market just does not support it, since not everyone will participate until forced too. That's the sad part, just what we need more government. lstyba said: I am just saying I spent 8 hrs with one guy doing hookups and all on carrier and wheel lift, dollies etc. . So i think if there was a concentrated way of training guys for the basics in a shorter time, should cut down on damage claims and turn around time for the empoloyer the better.Cya In the Ditch Larry Styba Cya In the Ditch Larry Styba WM# 011088 6/7 AC Divor said: when someone says they want to drive tow truck they ride along on there own time the company does not pay for his time. so we can make sure they are ready to do the job safely unknown member said: Experienced driver - 2 or 3 days if he is real good. Experienced with little training and a strong will to learn, spent almost three weeks with. On average Around 3 weeks and then assist as needed on difficult calls. One driver went 8 years and never seen a roll-over!!!!!! Most of us guys in the shop couldn't believe it either. How much time depends on how much your trying to teach. Jump starts, lockouts, tire changes (don't laugh) they can be tricky to a novice, towing, sling towing, flatbed towing, winching..... There are a lot of things that you learn over the years that you assume every one should just know. Ever been to an accident with another company, told the other driver where the t hook slots were, and after he hooked the rear control arm of a new car to winch it back on the road, then politely tell him not to hook there and his remark - It'll be OK. Yeah looked funny with the wheel have sideways. Money spent wisely is better than money spent fixing amateur mistakes. Mike Yorktow said: I'd be happy to find someone who could actually think on their own. If it's something out of the ordinary you might as well do it yourself rather than letting the ole boy embarrass themselves. Can't figure that out. Maybe asking for too much but after 5 years you'd think they could figure out small problems. NOT !!!! Fred unknown member said: If the applicant is new to towing, it usualy takes about 3 weeks. If he had towed before, it is a full week, just to show him the company way, and to catch up on the paper work. All tranees are paid hourly for 10 hours a day for the duratin of traning. It costs money, but it saves a lot of damage claims. >>> I might be wrong, but I doubt it. <<<
  8. Bigtows said: The other day we were called to tow a 1998 Pierce Dash pumper, We usually put these on our Landoll (But of course it was out of service) We went with our 9055 Century to get it and thought no big deal Just pull the shaft. WRONG ANSWER all the drive shaft bolts were welded in, every one of them. WE towed it 1/4 mile off the exit ramp to an International dealer to get it fixed there. They wouldn't even touch it. after looking at the truck a little closer it was only a small hose and We fixed the truck in the parking lot just by replacing the hose. I guess my question is has anyone else seen this on any other firetrucks? We have towed quite a few of them and have never seen this before. Underlifter said: I'd say it was done by some know it all mechanic who doesn't know what Loc-tite is.I've never seen bolts welded in.Whoever did it should have his tools taken away. michael212 said: Why not just pull an axle??? Along time ago a Fire Engine Mechanic mentioned the Pump transfer case deal. I told him to get it in writting from the manufacturer stating it wouldn't hurt the pump, transfer or transmission and they said they (the manufacturer) would not do that. So to make a long one short. The Chief said either pull the driveline or pull an axle. Or put on a trailer. And for the question? No I haven't come across any welded bolts on a u-joint. Underlifter said: We all charge by the hour so why wouldn't we take the time to pull something?I've never had a driveshaft in a fire truck that didn't come right out-even the pressed in type. Dave Jim Hays said: I've towed a lot of FDNY's trucks from from Fleet Services to Detroit Diesel. They would always set it to pump for me. The only time I pulled something was on trucks without driveline pumps(tillers, arielscopes, etc).Jim Hays-WM#98752 Moran Automotive & Towing 30 Ton Sliding Rotator "Death is good to avoid" Bigtows said: I was told by the Chief that nothing was ever done to the driveline on this truck, It must have been done by the factory. We now have a wizzer, It will'not happen again. TNTOW said: A word of caution on towing with it in "Pump". Make sure the pump is driven by the transmisson shaft. Some trucks are equipped with pumps that will allow them to "pump and roll". These pumps do not disconnect the rear shaft but instead use a regular PTO opening and shaft that is usually hidden where you can hardly see it due to the plumbing and pump. Generally any pump rated at 1250 GPM or larger will be transmission driven. 750 to 1000 GPM pumps can be either but usually are PTO driven and use air shift . Pumps under 750 are 90% of the time PTO driven and use cable or electric shifts. kentuckytowmnan said: Same here on fire & vac trucks, put in pump, spin the shaft & tow it.Junior Reinhardt Jim Hays said: I always check by sending the underreach in & out with the remote while I watched the shaft Jim Hays-WM#98752 Moran Automotive & Towing 30 Ton Sliding Rotator "Death is good to avoid"
  9. hoover said: Tom had to tow this 05 Pierce for the City of Cocoa last month. Having not seen it myself, I would have to say he did the right thing here. Has anybody done one of these. Let's have your input and suggestions. Thanks Tommy for the pictures. underlifter said: Thats the only way to do them.If ya fork the suspension an cause any marks you'll void the warranty.This is why Jerr-dan now has the 25,000Lb.tire grids.Imagine the big platform ladder trucks with this suspension that have 20,000 on the front end.Lots of fun!LOL Dave sweiljr said: Nice job. I have towed a few of these for the Detroit dealer. On the first one it thew me for a loop I had DB81 call Pierce to see what they had to say about towing procedures. There answer was to wheel lift or trailer. The wishbones are hollow and was told would damage if towed on forks. The suspicion is called tac4. A lot of new fire trucks are going to this type of suspicion it makes for better steering and breaking. I did one place to fork the frame but it was to close to the radiator any movement I would have bought a new one. What else are they going to do to make our jobs more fun? While we had the engineer on the phone DB81 asked to see if Pierce would make a hook up point right behind the bumper for towing and he said they were working on something we can only wait to see. Hopefully this will help.Steven Weil jr DANNY Fernandez said: hay simmon yes we tow this for the city all the time we tow from rear dump water and wheel lift they are lighter from rear. bts3 said: I was told that if you try to fork those on the frame you risk buckleing the cab and frame. Dave (aka Underlifter) would know more about that ( no he didn't do it, lol). He is right down the street from the dealer. He told me, tire lift or trailer only. Anyway, nice job Simon. Very professional Bighook18 said: I did this one last year.. It was a 2005..but It doesnt look like it was a Pierce. I think the back ends are very similiar. They are actually lighter from the rear I think once empty (if possible). Sorry, no hook up pics, but there is a huge crossmember I couldve forked, picked the axle w/ forks or I may have even u-bolted the bugger.. Sorry I cant remember. Todd Pell TNTow said: Wheel-lift or trailer them is the recomendation of most of the chassis manufacturers (Spartan, HME, Pierce, E-One). As far as towing them from the rear it depends on how the body is mounted. Most use an isolated independent mounting system using rubber and springs so the body can flex independent of the frame. The pump housings are also mounted independent of the body by most of the larger mfgs. The independent front suspensions are becoming standard on most trucks over the next couple of years as well as independent rears being considered by some. Spartan is coming out with a 25,000 independent air ride front in addtion to the ones offered now. If anyone has any questions we are a Spartan and HME service center and dealer for Toyne Fire Apparatus. nullstowing said: Our local fire company just got a new rescue it is a Pierce. At the front of the frame itself there are two tow hooks that are designed to hook to for towing. I do not see them on the truck pictured above. According to Pierce all of the units with the Tak 4 (independent front suspension) are supposed to have them. sweiljr said: Pierce must have been telling the truth when we talked to them about a 18 month ago about the front tow hook points. Maybe other mfg will do the same and even some truck mfg will make it easier on us. You know trucks don't break down and need to be towed so no need to make it easy to do so lol.Steven Weil jr wstowing11 said: I towed a Pierce with this suspension when they first came out a few years back. Went over a 100 miles to bring it back. Was not made aware that it was special or out of the ordinary til I got there. Never even seen the suspension before. Definetely couldn't frame tow, or even get close to anything on the rails, too many hydraulic lines and yes the front is a bolt on. Used my Jerr-Dan 60 ton to fork the suspension bracketry at the flat 1/2 " plates , between where the a arms mount up. I didn't think anything different about the suspension til I saw it on tow411. If I would have known it was such a monster I would have probably shot a pic . I will say it towed fine from where I hooked it , used four chains, two binders to secure it. When I would get @ 25 miles under me I would pull over and check. Didn't even scratch the plates, I think I chained it in place too well. WM 99887 said: Something better is coming soon, we just finished testing new hook up points with Pierce. The had strain gauges and the whole deal. Have to wait until its cleared for release. I have the official tak-4 towing procedures, email me at tower@new.rr.com and I will forward what I was sent last year if anyone wants it. About the pick point behind or in front of the radiator, someone else was testing, I dont think they paid for it yet? Instead of using fork reducers he used a 6' piece of 2by2 square tube, didnt work.Noltes, Oshkosh, WI 50 tons of fun.
  10. 25yrs said in 2008: Our town just purchased 2 new large peirce engines and 1 ladder trk. I know they recommend heavy wheel lift only however we dont have the 25000lb wheel-lift and dont want that large of purchase just for those trucks. We have a 30ton Dewalt, 25ton jerr-dan, a v-70 with the Euro-reach and a 35 ton landoll. Anybody tow these with anything other than the wheel-lift and if so where, I would appreciate any feed back you may have. Silverhawk said: Most of the fire companies in our area want them carried. We sub it out to a company with several double drop RGN's that are extendable. The one fire company that allows them towed we use one of our 9055's with the tire lift. Strapped and chained. Woody39 said: as far as the engines go, you should go to the fd and measure the height of the units they should fit onto your landoll . as for the ladder truck you will also have to go and look at the unit to see where you can hook up. does it have a beam axle? front suction/discharge pipes underneath? can you hook to the frame if the axle is set back far? it looks like your v-70 will be the truck of choice for the ladder truck. I have the wheel lift and am not a big fan of it. I only need it for 1 fire truck in our area all others I can fork either the frame or the axle. all of our depts dont care where we hook as long as we dont scratch the paint. an old pair of gloves does the trick when hooking the frame Towing4u said: If they are all pierce units your fire dept. can request the towing procedures from them. They cover the dash, quantom and another. The tak 4 suspensions are nto to bad however it is important to follow their guidelines. On the dash pumper there is a hose that needs to be disconnected on the drivers side. We have 4 tak 4 trucks here and we have towed them all, the ladder truck is not difficult just awkward. Need to find out what pierce units they are and see if they have floats on the front...if they do and have tak 4 suspension, bus lift if out. We tow them by the frames. Chuck with Noltes said: Here is the reply from the engineers after doing strain gauge testing/towing without using the wheel lift: :"Attached is a pic of the components used for towing our truck. Please let > me know if you know where we can send customers to get these components > and > part number if you have them." We used the width extensions and steer tek forks, they were happy with the pick points, it was the best place that they found for strength and ease of towing. We had our 2530 nomore and wasnt extended all that far. They were coming out with a add on kit to bolt to the area, but I think they are just using the steer tek forks now. Silverhawk said: The Pierce unit that Gilbert Fire operates weighs in at 76,000 without the water on it. This is a 3 axle chassis, with 10 tires. Floaters on all wheels. Too heavy and too tall for Landoll type slide axles. Front axle is over 25,000. RGN is the way to go. Front tires are rated at 9,990 max load each. I think (know) they are headed for a blowout in this hot summer heat. EastTexTower670 said: Someone might check with Trail-Eze they have a 3 axle slider that is a 50 ton unit. We have 2 3 axle sliders and havent had any problem with weight issues. Towstany said: Our City also has them. I have forked them the simular way Chuck shows. The ladder is to tall for a landol. 25yrs said: 16,000 on V-70 wheel lift though the engines we have here have a steel plate between the rails no safe place to hook the frame!!!!!!!! unknown member said: Trail-Eze offers a 3 axle, 40 ton Hydraulic Detachable Gooseneck Trailer (TE80DGBUS) made to haul buses, fire trucks, equipment, etc. I know that there is a towing company in the northeast that has hauled the big 76,000# fire truck on the TE80DGBUS.
  11. Towing is a scary subject. No one wants to even remotely consider the possibility of having to tow a piece of apparatus. However, any fire apparatus technician will tell you that towing apparatus is a reality, and the horror stories will usually follow. MYTH OR TRUTH? There are many towing myths, and my job is to unravel the myths and get to the truth. Myth: Electrical components, engines, and transmissions will never fail on any of our apparatus. The truth is that electrical components, engines, and transmissions do fail. The truth is also that accidents do happen and apparatus does break down. All tow companies train their operators to tow vehicles with the drive wheels in the air. Heavy fire apparatus is the exception to this rule. Because of the heavy rear-end weight and the extended tailboards, it would be next to impossible to tow them backward. So, to the front we go: hook up, lift, and off we go. Unfortunately, it is not quite that simple. Lifting fire apparatus without damaging the body and frame necessitates having the proper equipment and special skills. And even with proper equipment and special skills, the possibility of transmission damage always exists. If your department is gifted with a standard transmission, put it in neutral and go. If your department has an automatic transmission, you must make some difficult decisions. Myth: If you tow a vehicle a few feet with a chain, the transmission will always fail. The reason this myth persists is that no one wants to take the responsibility for buying that transmission if the little gremlins decide that transmission failure will occur at the same time the apparatus is repaired. Most fire apparatus built today use an Allison automatic transmission. The reason transmission manufacturers limit towing a vehicle with the drive wheels on the ground is that the driveshaft is directly connected to the rear part of the transmission. The rear planetary gear assemblies in the transmission might be moving while the apparatus is being towed. Each of these assemblies is made up of a sun gear, pinion gears, and a ring gear. The planetary gear assemblies make possible the gear reduction that takes place for the different speeds and reverse. When these planetary gears are driven from the driveshaft end, because of the gear reduction, the rear gears may spin much faster than they normally would. Combine the gears` spinning much faster than normally with the fact that no lubrication is getting to these gears (since the engine is shut off), and let your imagination go wild and picture all these gears flying in every direction. This has been known to happen, but usually only under abusive towing conditions. To avoid any transmission failures or liability problems, most towing companies observe the transmission manufacturer`s rules about towing. The tow companies are going to insist on removing driveshafts, no matter what the circumstances. This is the way they were trained. It can be very challenging and expensive (in some instances, it can cost hundreds of dollars) to remove drive-shafts, and the possibility exists that the U-joints and driveshaft can be damaged or destroyed. Some designs actually prohibit field removal of the driveshaft. A word to the wise: Review the section on towing in your transmission manufacturer`s manual. For certain Allison transmissions (you will be able to find this information in your transmission manual for the specific apparatus), for example, as long as the problem is not the transmission, you are allowed to push, pull, or tow the vehicle up to one-half mile at a speed of no more than 10 miles an hour. This is good to know if the breakdown occurs just down the street from the fire station. If your apparatus was delivered without the official manufacturer`s manual, make sure you get one as soon as possible. Find out the specific towing guidelines before a breakdown occurs. Myth: If a pumper is going to be towed a long distance, the driveshafts must always be removed. The truth of the matter is that on engines with midship pumps that use a split driveshaft, the problem can be solved by shifting the pump into gear. Placing the pump in gear will satisfy Allison`s requirement that the drive wheels be disconnected with the output of the transmission. The pump manufacturers were quick to point out that a check of the "pump engage" light would be a good idea. If engine or transmission failure occurs, manual rotation of the front driveshaft may be necessary to help the pump click into gear. The pump manufacturers all agree that no damage would occur to the pump case if towed this way. This also aids in the argument for installing manual pump shifts on new pumpers. If you are not dealing with a split driveshaft, another way to disconnect the rear drive line is to remove the axles. In some circumstances this may prove to be a lot simpler. The best recommendation I can give is to make a list of your apparatus and decide beforehand the easiest way to deal with your drivetrain. Sometimes to save time, the tow operator will tell you that if the drive lines have not been disconnected and the vehicle is towed at a reasonable speed and distance (which the tow operator assures you he will do), no damage will occur. I cannot and do not recommend that the apparatus be towed in this manner. To allow towing in this manner would make your department--not the towing company--responsible. PROPER LIFTING OF THE APPARATUS Axle Lift Because of the heavy weight of most apparatus, proper lifting is a significant part of the towing operation. The sling-equipped wrecker cannot be used on present-day apparatus. The sling equipment uses the bumper to support most of the weight, and bumpers are not designed to do this. Since the axle is designed to carry the load of the vehicle, it makes perfect sense to lift and pull by the axle. It is a real challenge to accomplish this with extended bumpers and the low angle of approach and departure on most apparatus. To lift by the axle, the tow truck must have a longer than normal extension on the hoist to enable it to reach the axle. And chances are that more extension is required to have the clearance needed for cornering and for uneven and bumpy roads. Another problem is the teeter-totter effect that results when the vehicle is raised so far behind the tow truck`s rear axles. A long-wheelbase wrecker with two or three rear axles is needed to properly tow the average pumper. If you have to have apparatus towed, make sure the right equipment is dispatched the first time so money and time are not wasted when the wrong tow equipment shows up. Frame Lift In some instances, lifting by the axles is not going to be possible because of equipment limitations and because the tow operator will want to lift the apparatus by the frame. Chances are that the tow operator is not going to be familiar with the design of the apparatus. In theory, the frame ahead of the front spring shackles no longer needs to support the entire weight of the vehicle. However, apparatus is usually specified and built with pull tow hooks that can "pull the gross weight of the apparatus." So if tow hooks (pull-out hooks) are attached to the frame, this is an indication that the frame is probably substantial enough to support the weight of the vehicle. Warning: Be very careful of towing in this manner. Never lift the apparatus beyond the frame tow hooks. The apparatus frame beyond this point may not have been designed to take the full load of the apparatus. Never, ever lift the apparatus by using the frame extensions that hold the compartments, bumpers, or tailboards. Parking Brake The rear parking brake will have to be released before the vehicle is towed. There are two ways to accomplish this. To release and hold the parking brake off, a constant air supply is needed. The first and simplest way to accomplish this is to supply the air pressure from the tow truck through the air lines and fittings. To do this, the apparatus needs to have an air inlet fitting to the air system. Most apparatus already have this feature, which is used to keep the air system charged at the fire station for those quick getaways. If you do not have this outside fill feature, consider installing one. If a tow operator does not have the equipment to remotely charge the air brakes, the second option is to pull the parking brakes off with a release stud tool. Review using this tool with a brake mechanic or your tow operator. The tools are different for each brake system, so the tow operator may not have the proper tools. These tools should always be available and stored with the apparatus in case of that unexpected breakdown. Other Points to Consider When lifting the front of the apparatus by the frame, the front will have to be lifted so high for front-wheel-to-road clearance that the rear tailboard may not have enough clearance. Proper clearance from the tailboard to the road is mandatory for the crowns at intersections, bumps, or heaves that will be encountered on the way to the shop to avoid damage to the tailboard. A frame lift will most likely need blocking and special securing because the apparatus will more easily shift and move around while being towed. Consider locating a flatbed carrier if lift towing is not an option. A tow truck operator may insist on pulling a driveshaft no matter what the circumstances, because this is what he was taught. If you decide to tow the apparatus with the pump in neutral, consider having ready for signature preprinted release forms that will relieve the towing company from the liability of transmission damage. This is the only time--when specifying this method of towing--that the towing company should be relieved of responsibility for damage. Meet with the owners of the tow company you prefer to engage to review all your concerns. Review pricing before the emergency; it is sometimes cheaper that way. A towing contract is a good idea, to record the agreement. Make sure that fire apparatus is a priority. For example, stress the importance of being able to move a pumper in the winter before the water freezes in it. Always drain the water from the tank. Reducing the weight of the apparatus by thousands of pounds relieves the stress on the apparatus and the tow truck. Water can always be drained by gravity if the pump cannot be operated. Always use safety chains, should a hookup or equipment fail. Use temporary stop and taillights. Liability Make sure that the tow company you engage has proper liability coverage. Depending on the state in which you are located, accomplishing this may be as simple as making sure that the towing company is properly licensed by the state. Most states require that the carrier maintain ample insurance and be bonded. The towing company must also follow fair business practices to remain licensed by the state. Some states require posting rates (by the hour or by the tow). Check into your state`s laws governing towing companies. Most of the time the Secretary of State`s office will have the answers. If not, you will be referred to the proper office. Be very careful if you have to use an out-of-state towing company or if you cross state lines while towing your apparatus. In some instances, the towing company may have to be licensed in both states. I have only briefly touched on towing fire apparatus, but many of the same rules apply to smaller vehicles. Different towing equipment will be needed, and the preferred way of towing would be to lift the drive wheels with a wheel lift or car carrier. Since different equipment will be needed for your support vehicles, prearrange for their towing in an emergency also. You may find that you will need a different towing company for different vehicles. n I would like to thank the following for information for this article: Allison Transmissions, W. S. Darley & Company, Waterous Company, Hale Fire Pump Company, and AAAA Towing in Darien, Illinois. Article by TERRY ECKERT, a 15-year veteran of the fire service, is a firefighter and head of apparatus maintenance in the Darien-Woodridge (IL) Fire District and the chief engineer of the Westmont (IL) Fire Department. He has 25 years of experience as a vehicle technician. He is an ASE-certified master automobile technician and master heavy truck technician and an EVT Level 3 master technician. He also has ASE certification in advanced level engine performance. Eckert is a member of numerous professional associations, including the National Association of Emergency Vehicle Technicians (NAEVT) and the Illinois Fire Apparatus Mechanics Association. He is a member of the EVT Certification Commission, where he serves on the Validation Committee and had chaired the E-3 section, and the NFPA Technical Committee on Emergency Vehicle Technician Professional Qualifications. He was the 1997 recipient of the NAEVT Certificate of Achievement Award. FireEngineering.com
  12. Tow411

    Landoll Decking

    This Topic was created in 2012 by an unknown member on Tow411. I know Landoll uses Apitong hardwood from the factory but it seems pretty hard to get in my neck of the woods. What is everyone else usig when it comes to r-decking their floats/flatbeds? ole750 said: Rough sawed red oak from a local saw mill. Bolt it down soak wood with a mixture of diesel fuel and burnt motor oil mix. Then your good for another 10 to 15 yrs. Daffysdoom said: I agree, have a local sawmill reccomend and cut you something. My buddy w a sawmill does alot of this for lowbeds etc.
  13. Topic Originally Created by Dieseltek in December of 2011: Going to be looking at Landolls soon. We have never owned one. Can anyone give some recomendations and what to look for for our first one. We are a full heavy truck repair and body shop so a fixer upper is not out of the question. Matt Brown Matt Brown's Truck Repair gtowman said: 317B is maybe the most affordable and very easy to repair. But I would buy a 440 or 660, they are the best Landoll out there. santiam01 said: The people I know who are most successful with a Landoll type trailer have lots of "non-towing" & accounts that don't rely on break-downs to really keep the trailer busy & make money. Rental yards, construction companies & other companies that have sold off transport equipment or are under-staffed are great sources of income for a trailer. What you do with the trailer from a towing stand-point should be the GRAVY! Wade200 said: For towing, we rarely use them for it. For equipment, their rates are too much like "trucking" rates and as you may know are very low pay. For wrecks, they are great but you have to have enough wrecks to make it work. Sorry to be so negative, but we have never had much prosperity from trailer work unless volume is super heavy. Daniel Wade nullstowing said: The only reason we have ours is for recovery work. Equipment hauling in our area is so cut throat we don't even try to compete. We have a few customers that we move their equipment a few times a month. Other then that it is here when we need it for an accident clean up. Wade200 said: That is the same take we have Jared, except we haven't had hardly any recovery work lately. Daniel Wade dieseltek said: I was only thinking of recovery work. I have no desire to move equipment around. This is why I tossed it out there to see peoples thoughts. We have no recovery work here either. There is still no snow here in New Hampshire. Thanks Jared and Daniel. QueenwaysTire said: If you aren't going to use it often, may not be the way to go. We have one, and don't use it nearly enough, which is hard on the trailer. One thing that I have heard is that Landoll units have rollers that the axle travels on, and these are prone to seizing up. If you aren't using it regularly, I would assume this will be a big problem. We bought a traileze, it just has wear pads like a tilt and load does. Very happy with the Traileze, just not happy with the trailer sitting as much as it does. Every year we have something to fix cause we just don't use it enough and things don't move enough. Might just be a better idea to look into a straight drop deck or something like that. DJSCOTT said: Guess we are a little different from the looks of this post. We have 3 trailers, A National 48' sliding axle, a Landoll 48' dovetail 950, and a Landoll 885 detach. We use them primarily for hauling equipment and when we need them for wrecks or the occasional trash truck that looses the rearends for obvious reasons we use them for those as well. National is now Kalyn/ Siebart but it and the Landoll's have been really dependable units. Haven't had the 885 very long but it seems to be just as dependable as the other one we have had since 02. Only problem with it has been we didn't realize til after purchase that we needed a 28' well instead of the 26'. That has been our limitations on this unit and hauling trucks is that the well is not long enough for say the frontload Mack MRU. capptow said: we use our landoll for some towing a little equipment and little freight. we did use our trailer for hauling salvage.... buy a nice used trailer. Tommy Bradshaw said: Matt, I bought a 660b 53 ft landoll & tractor this time last year and both have brought in work we wouldn't have been able to do and has been a good investment.. We were able to buy a 2006 here in North Carolina looks like new with no rust at all.. The only problem i've had has been tire blow outs, have replaced all the tires last month.. Good luck !! Tommy Bradshaw/BATR towgodess14 said: We have a Landoll container trailer which is very nice for container work but not much else. We have a 2xl XL Specialized 35 ton which is a good solid trailer. Our go-to trailer is a 48' 3xl 55 ton Kalyn Siebert. We use it for equipment, salvage, wrecks, containers, limos and buses and whatever else pays the bills. If the only thing you want a trailer for is hauling wrecks look for a used trailer that the deck has been plated with steel. Wrecks tear up the wooden decks. Most decks are Apitong which is a very hard wood, but expensive. A local company has been redecking theirs with Bamboo and it seems to be working well for them. We may be looking to sell the XL as we are consolidating our equipment. PM me if you are interested. No rust, we have the pony motor that came with it making it self contained. teams251 said; I have operated some Landoll's 317,660( 3or 4 anyways) a 440, a Muvall, Kaylen Seibert,National or Miller I think that was the one they were selling under the Miller brand a Trailking and a Trailking flip tail and a Traileze.In my opinon you cannot beat the Landoll,the 440 is probably the best of the Landoll's and one of the things that they changed which was a "BIG" problem was they went from a box style crossmember to a C channel or I beam design which solved a lot of the rust issues,as far as the rollers GREASE,GREASE,GREASE and you wont have any problems.One of the biggest issues I saw with rollers besides just plain lack of grease was how people were operating the trailer if you don't slide and tilt at the proper spots depending on the weight and where it is in regards to location of the deck you cause unnecessary stress to the rollers and the terrain can be a pain but if you take your time and pay attention and listen to the trailer they can be an invaluable tool for you. MTA415 said: we have a 53' Landoll 455 and it's used for lots of stuff from wrecks to delivering new Brown Trucks to different distribution centers throughout the state. We do a little equipment but stay away from step deck type work for the same reasons Wade posted. Operated a Kalyn Siebert at the company I was at prior to being here, super nice trailer! Strong, stable and easy to maintain. NEWBERRYS said: I have a older 317, I like having it but in the year and a half ive had it ive only used it twice for towing when i was glad i had it, once on a 2011 t660 with a broken fiberglass front spring, another on a pete with a broken frame under the bunk. all the other uses it dont pay enough to justify because somebody will use a lowboy for half the money! Also I found that I was turning work down because of height reasons hauling heavy equipment, so I bought a folding tail dethach neck loadking 48ft and use it way more than the landoll!! Its hard to get people to pay for (special) equipment like a landoll in day to day operations!
  14. Topic Originally Created by ELIMINATOR II in August of 2007: This loaded dump truck was traveling one of the many small roads in the pocono mountains when he lost his brakes on a hill. After hitting several large trees and scattering debris all over the road ,the driver lost control and rolled a few times. most of the tires were flat and the ones that were not flat had broken the dayton wheel hubs , so none of the axles were towable. I called for our trailer and the landoll was on another job so I had them bring out our equipment trailer. Joe drove the all wheel drive freightliner out to help me load the truck. The road was real narrow so I did not want to lift the truck with one wrecker. The pictures look like I was touching the phone lines but I was not close to them. I had to pull the dump truck towards me while uprighting, to stay away from the wires. I could not pull the front to me until it was uprighted, the fuel tank was wedged under the truck and ripped of. Full of fuel of course, so after it was uprighted we had to get the fuel tank off.(lines) WE then lifted the truck and loaded it on the trailer . We did pull the body down but it was bent to the point that it would not go all the way down so we chained it as close as we could before uprighting..The owner of the truck cleaned up the dirt. we loaded all of the debris and parts into the dump body before we uprighted it. It was a hot day and loading the parts in the body after it was up would be like hard work Richard Guttmann Jowetoww said: hey me and this guy rich i work with did a wreck just like this the other day i think ours was better than yours.... lol EdsTowing said: Boy that thing is junk. I talked with Tracy that afternoon and he said his brother was ok so I guess that's all that matters. He hasn't had to good of luck lately but they make new Macks every day. Joey don't you have another job??? Wade200 said: Nice job, I really like how you worked "around" the power lines. Daniel Wade wstowing11 said: Ok how did you guys get the Freightliner around to the front ? Did you drive under the power lines, or did you fit between while uprighting it, between the tator and dump ? Bruce said: Nice job on the recovery and I love the trucks. Landoll would have been a little eaiser but you got the job done. Wrecker Mikey said: Nice job done by the Schlier's crew. Joe you were standing there with your hands in your pocket were your hands cold ? ELIMINATOR II said: No Wayne it didnt fit around, we were waiting for the trailer and the township arrived with chain saws and a chipper, I should have taken a picture up the road .anyway we moved the rotator so they could get through and put the freightliner around front. Ed there are no pictures of the truck with the name on it, I did that for a specific purpose . I know you know some of these people but I do not advertise there misfortune , If it were a company with hundreds of drivers it is one thing, but this is a local small company so I will show pics but I try not to put there name , and everyone in this area knows who tracy is. Please dont do that to my posts. Thanks.. Richard Guttmann Joetoww said: mike i actually had an ass kicking game of pocket pool going on ......i mean uh .....yes my hands were cold Eds Towing said: Rich, I know what you mean about not showing somebodies misfortune. I block out the names on most every job. I have known these guys for 25 years and have the utmost respect for them. I appreciate the business they have given me in the past and would help them out any time I could. I'm confident that they know this. As far as local people viewing this site, I had 5 people tell me about this wreck before you guys unloaded it....we all know how news travels around here...especially bad news. I stopped to see him, and apparently just missed you guys, to see how he was and to tell him I had a decent CH Mack triaxle here for sale if it would help him. I didn't know the condition of the body at the time. He said he already had a replacement in mind and didn't have time for a project which I could appreciate. Anyway as far as local people knowing him by his first name, they probably knew about the accident as fast or sooner then I did. Irregardless, I won't comment on your jobs relating to local customers and if I owe this customer an apology, I'll deal with that directly although I don't believe that is the case. Thanks, Ed
  15. Topic originally created on Tow411 Towtrk803 in August of 2007: driver fell asleep, crashed into the wall, the rest is history. about 4hrs waiting on elec,phone,and cable companies. actually recovery time 30 min with hook up. enjoy. mike BigWheelRecovery said: Nice job AL cant beat the tater they work out very well for us also . danielswt said: i noticed each one of your winch line hooks are color coated. i assume they each have a matching lever on the controls? joeniel said: I see those trucks all over now.. there is a dunkin donuts every two feet, thats what it feels like.. I was down on the south shore yesterday and its like used car dealer, dunkin donuts, used car dealer, dunkin donuts etc etc... Bighook18 said: Boy thats a strong boom. In pic#5, youre lifting the truck AND holding the phone pole LOL. Thanks for the pics.. "I always got my hook.." Todd Pell Towing4u said: thats one lucky driver....a few inchs either way and could have been tragic. towtrk803 said: Daniel, yes each hook is painted a different color with a matching dot on the remote. this minimizes the chanch of a problem when using the 4 winches on a job. mike Eric said: That driver is lucky that he didnt end up in the field next to where he crashed...
  16. Topic Originally Created by Collisions Automotive In June of 2007: got a call on thursday to assist with a tt recovery this is what we found after all that this happened while we were cleaning up Canadiantowman said: nice team work guys,great job In Memory of Brothers&Sons who said: That unit should have been well rested, it slept there overnight, It was probably pretty comfortable and didn't like being bothered , so it sank again Nice job fellers, glad to see some guys up around here can still work together!!! xcessiveforce52 said: that 1040B must have had flash backs with rotatorman2 backing you up l.o.l..... good job and team work....
  17. Topic Originally Created by mballor in 2007: This is one i did a couple of months ago, I have just never seen one like this. This is what i saw when i first arrived I wanted to hook up to the high side so when i rolled it over i wouldn't have to rehook but i couldn't reach it and i didn't feel safe walking on it so i hooked to the low side and rolled it. Then i made a bridal and lifted the back to get it over the rest of the 4x4 that broke off the mail box. Everything came out good, we ended up transporting it on the rollback because of all the mud and debris. The driver of the vehicle was ok , but that was one hell of a hit. orcas tow said: I had a similar one a couple months back @ 3am, drunk kids, multiple rollover, ended up tail straight up in the air, nothing holding it up other than the nose buried in the ditch, it does take some guts to hook when they are unstable like that, one in a million I suppose, thanks for the pics,
  18. Topic Originally Posted on Tow411 in 2011: Here is Mcneil's Automotive project. visit our website at www.DetroitWrecker.com
  19. Topic Originally Posted on Tow411 in 2009: Here is a short clip of us Installing a Used Jerr Dan Flat Bed on a New Chassis. This is becoming a popular request for us. Due to the bad economy people are trying to save money any way they can. We are very happy to help our customers any way we can! With out you, there is no us!
  20. Topic originally created by Mr Waialae Chevron in 2005: This is what happens at 150 MPH! Here's to mud in your eye. Barney ibuytoys said: Direct hit!!"The Impossible Just Takes A Little Longer!" www.advancedtowinghawaii.com danielswt said: thats just nasty! imagine being the driver and getting covered in that crap? !!!--- Daniel --- "im only stuck a lil"www.southwesttowing.com " Don't tell us how good you are, show us! " tommytows said: WOW , bet that driver left a stain in the seat as well. thats one of them , come here, you aint going to believe this S.... stories. datowman said: at least he has no problems tracking his kill for dinner later. Stay Safe John behind every great man who has come forth.....is a blonde cleaning up the mess he made. Stay Safe John life is not determined by the path we choose to walk down, but by how we choose to walk down our path. Stevo said: That's really nasty. I don't envy the guy that has to detail that mess. And he better hurry before the heat gets to it. You'll never get rid of the smellSteve When a man tells you that he got rich through hard work, ask him: 'Whose?' Choice Towing & Recovery Fredericksburg, Va If you need help in our area 540-372-6636 In Memory of DNDTOWINGCOM who said: Honey, I picked up dinner on the way home.~Dann Dann Vegas Heavy Haul Inc. dba. Big Valley Towing Las Vegas, NV. If they had only known. OCTOWMAN said: Where did he find a road long and straight enough to go 150 mph in the islands? Mr Waialae Chevron said: Sorry for the confusion guys...I did not do this job, these are pictures sent to me from a buddy on the east coast. Here's to mud in your eye. Barney Heffy004 said: Ya, Barney..... That looks like a hit from a wild turkey. No folks......it ain't my pic......BUT...... We do tow about 2 or 3 a year from a turkey hit. They can damn near total out a smaller car. Catch ya & C'ya HEFFY Mr Waialae Chevron said: I will validate Heffy's claim...these pics did not come from him. I think these are making the internet rounds, they came from my cousin in MA. I am not sure, but the plate looks German? So maybe he was on the Autobahn? Here's to mud in your eye. Barney
  21. Posted on Tow411 in May of 2017: Anyone know where this unit is now? Our newest addition to the Bee Hive Orcas Tow said: Looks Great! EKYtow55 said: Good looking unit! West Body Shop, Inc. - Axalta Coatings Systems goodmichael said: That is a cool truck. And the marketing scheme will keep the phone ringing. DragNTow said: "" I'll BEE right there"Happy Haulin........DragNTow In Memory of PlanBTransport who said: Thanks Guys, Really happy with her so far!
  22. This archived topic was started on Tow411 is 2011by LSChicago who now owns and operates LEDand Safety in River Grove, IL. I started my business for a total of $1200 in 1992. $700 for a truck (a 1980 Chevy K30 4X4 pickup with a slide in boom sling only), $250 down for insurance, $48 for plates, some cards, invoices, ETC, and I was in business! 100% debt free then, but that didn't last long.... rotator60 said: I started working at a gas station..Tommy's Exxon..in Gainesville in 1978..We had a Holmes 440 and a Cradle Snatcher..In 1979 I went to work at University Towing..Where I stayed until my retirement from the industry in May of 2010..Giving up my beloved Rotator.. 1RANDY said: Also started in a full service gas station back in 1981 with one weldbuilt on a one ton chevy truck. Didn't need a lot of money to get started in those days, all the vehicles had real bumpers and made of real steel just sling it and go. Insurance was cheap gas was around a buck a gallon, man the good old days! BlackAutoload said: Answered a random help wanted ad. ... Didnt know it would take over my life... EKYtow55 said: Worked with my day since I was ten years old in the body shop industery, after I graduated from high school in 1973, went to work at the local Chevrolet, Olds and Cadillac dealer and worked there till 1980 and went into the bodyshop business for myself, added towing and recovery in 1981 with a 74 Ford F350 with a 400 Holmes unit, still have that old unit sitting around inactive. Then I just began building my empire, I can remember towing cars back then for $15.00 and seems like I made a lot of money!!! West Body Shop, Inc. - Axalta Coatings Systems Cotton said: Dad started as a body man and began driving the tow truck for the dealer when I was 5. I rode and helped hook up every chance I had starting when I was 7. In 1967 (I was 11) Dad started his own company. He stayed an hour behind all day the first day. At 18 I worked for someone else and I started working for him when I turned 19. In 1992, I bought it from him. As a note, the number on the door has not been published in 15 years and I still get over 150 calls a month on that line. annettemcd said: A.P. was working for a repair facility that never was very successful. A town of 600 is just too small to try to do enough auto repair to keep a business going, but there was some towing going on. He realized that there was actually more need of towing than for repairs. Many vehicles required the equipment, trained technicians, and access to parts that were much easier to find in the nearby city. Vehicles that do not, often required more work than a neighbor could be charged for or were constantly coming back for unrelated problems that were being linked by the owner to the original problem or the original work and thus they wanted the vehicle to be fixed at no additional charge. Towing was seen as a "cleaner" business. Do the tow. Get the vehicle to where it can be repaired properly. Get paid for the tow which can not be linked to future problems and can not be a "come-back" tow even if it is a come-back repair. The tow stands alone as a separate job. Started in 1992 with a hand-made truck with a Hydro-Tow. Quickly purchased a used Ford with a Holmes boom and wheel-lift. Did many, many tows with dollies because of them being 4x4 vehicles. Finally were able to buy a good, new rollback in 2001. We are still small potatoes, but we have a niche which we fill well. Rocky Mt Towman said: In 1970 when I got out of the Navy, I came to Estes Park Co. where my folks had just purchased a home. After getting it ready for them to move in, I started working for a gas station, turning wrenches and driving the tow truck, a 1966 F350 with a Stringfellow wrecker body. The owner wanted to sell, so I thought "What The Heck" I bought him out and 41 years later I'm still towing. Can you say "It gets in your blood" Bob P S In 1988 my wife switched from being a beautian to Tow Truck Operator. She is TRAA Level 3 and a WreckMaster 6/7 . I couldn't do it all these years without her!!! Kirbys Towing said: I rode in the wrecker with my dad since before I could walk. Learned how to run all the equipment while the other kids were playing video games. So I guess its in the blood and I'll be hookin' until the day I can't hook anymore! lol myerstowing said: Well, I was born in a dirt tow lot. My daycare was playing in the dirt, and in old junk cars. Middle school I was answering phones and learning the ins and out of the towing industry. A few years later, I'm still here behind the scenes most of the time but I have a feeling for the rest of my life I will be involved in the Towing Industry. Acestowing said: My Dad got into the business 16 years ago, bought a 20 ton single axle, started from scratch, a few local companies folded or retired and he has kept the 1 truck busy for years himself, we have now got to the spot where either we need to slow down or grow. I've decided to run a heavy full time once we find a second Heavy. I've been around the truck since the day it pulled in the yard. Bryce Weber - Aces Towing WM 091409 Level 6/7 Renegade said: The company that did our towing closed their doors. Wasn't sure that anyplace else in to were insured to haul our stuff so got our own trucks, took wreckmaster classes. Practiced and built up trucks for two years and started towing. We figured do it right the first time ...you get to keep it... central4 said: Was an account customer with Logan City Towing in '96, went through a quiet spell in my own business at the time (slashing and land clearing) so I asked them if they had a spare truck. They put me in an '85 Ford Trader 0811. When I first took the truck out of the yard the dashboard caught fire.. Limped truck back to the yard and jumped into an '83 Isuzu SBR with an 18' cantilever tilt body and a slide in T bar for a second hitch. StapleyTowin said: Grandpa had body shop and 1 tow truck in the 50's-60's Dad sold his 1965 mustang in high school and put the money towards a mid 70's Ford 1 ton cab and chassis and built a wrecker on it, hauled scrap and took over the family bodyshop.. a couple different 1 tons wreckers and ramp bodied trucks came and went over the years...then had a louisville with a gasser kinda a mid sized truck homemade wrecker, everytime you looked at the Tach it would blow up LOL, I got alot of passenger seat time in that ole girl...next was a louisville with 3208 cat and a Holmes 600 that truck made money great working unit replaced that with a International S series and a Holmes 600 with 750 booms and air brakes right around the time everyone needed a underreach heavier suff stopped happening we were also running a F450 with a homemade tilt and load body eventually the international got parked until about 2004 we decided to S&!t or get off the pot and bought a new century 19' tilt bed and mounted on a 1990 low pro F700 chassis and opened us to the medium tilt and load world and put together our current 15ton wrecker, now operating an 2002 sterling tilt and load, the meduim wrecker and in the build process of a heavy. Like i said lots of passenger seat time in all of the trucks, drove the F450 tilt and load with my learners permit and the neighbour in the passenger seat so dad could be at the shop working, as i got older i got more interested in the industry did some wreckemaster training, and lots of studying post on Tow411 (actually came across tow411 by googling tow trucks for sale)...work out full time but rarely pass the chane to do tow call when ever possible, born into it, gets in your blood haha quigma1 said: Well before I even had a drivers license, waas still wet behind the ears as a very young teenager, I began working at a garage, moving vehicles around the property and junking out scrap cars, pulling motors and trans. Got my drivers license at 16 and was doing tow and road service calls for that shop in a 4 X 2 all wheel drive military style truck with a home made wrecker boom. No sling back then, just a flat steel plate and a rubber tire to protect the bumpers. Now thats towing? Years later began working for several other shops with trucks, till I finally got the nerve to start out on my own. Borrowed a few hundred from POP, and the one shop I was working at let me have their only truck to start out on, I paid them back over time. Shakey start for a few weeks, but the police towing took care of that. PartTimer said: Helped move my brother-in-law back to Kansas 2 1/2 years ago from South Carolina (that's another story entirely) and he was a heavy operator out there. He talked a nearby company into opening a location locally and he was thier only operator out of this location. He had kids from a previous marriage and every time he would have visitation he would get called out, so I told him if they would hire me part time I would cover for him when he had the kids. Keep trying to get out of it now that he has more help but I can't figure out how to get that rush of the wee hour calls out of my system though. Did have to cut back to As Needed-As Available status due to the wifes schedule changing. abctowing said: Started tow with Bob's towing in Calumet Park Il. in 1974. Established ABC Towing in Comstock Park Mi. in 1985. Towjoe75 said: I started out hauling scrap when I was 16 {around 1992} with a truck and trailer. I happened to become friends with a local towtruck operator {thats now my stepdad}who taught me the ins and outs. one of the big junkyards went out of business and the old man that I was hauling junk to bought me one of there old wreckers and financed me. still have it to a 1970 F350 with a hubbard. Funny I towed a car the other day and the guy told me he remebers when I started out with that truck and was amazed how much I have moved up to my 05 F650 quadcab with a 21' century GregTowIt said: I was one of my employers best customers with my 1968 SS396 ElCamino. I have worked on cars most of my life learning most of my knowledge from a father figure-Tom Cummins- who sadly passed away from Cancer a few years ago. One day, while looking for a job, I ran into Doug and he asked if I was working. I said no and he offered me a job and January of this year is 19 years with a couple breaks inbetween. It has been quite a ride and an incredible learning experience. All Star Towing said: I got into towing because I have a repair shop and when one of my customers had a car that needed towed would call a certin co. that also did repairs would pickup the car they would say they would do the tow for free if they could do the repair. That happened 3 times that I know of. So I bought my rollback. A friend of mine said sence you have the truck you should get on the rotation list. Got on with the rollback and found out I needed a wrecker so I bought the 02 F550. Been towing for about 10 months now and all is going well. Thanks to tow411. @BlackAutoload @EKYtow55 @cotton @annettemcd @ROCKY MT TOWMAN @abctowing @Towjoe88 @GregTowzIt @myerstowing @Part Timer @LEDandSAFETY @1Randy
  23. Topic Originally Created on Tow411 by 88autocarnrc in January of 2013 townhooker said: Awsome pictures! Find more! Love the Holmes "Add More Length" Boom. 88autocarnrc added: northeast said: Rocking pictures. Whats the company's history, still around? jeepfreek said: great pics.thank you.regards jim[canuk]fraser. 88autocarnrc said: company was started by my great grandfather in 1928 and we are still going at its original location in Methuen ma. Theres alot more pictures on our facebook page but i plan on putting more up on this site soon, still kinda new to it ole8212 said: Great post can't wait to see what else you have. On the last picture it says body and fender straightening that's and old saying you don't hear anymore. Thanks for posting. Albert Battelini rotator60 said: Thanks for sharing your companies history through the pictures.. michael212 said: Nice! Keep'm coming if you have more!!! LPD167 said: Awsome pictures. The trucks and garage are great!! Bill Ludewig said: Gotta love those old pictures.I have always been a fan of your Autocar with the Holmes 850. Is that Autocar still around? I remember seeing pictures of it on your lowboy,at a Tow Show a few years ago.Please keeping posting the old pictures. To me the old pictures are one of the best parts of Tow 411.Thank you very much for posting your Towing Company History photos. Bill Ludewig Ernies Wrecker Service Vernon Hills Illinois 88autocarnrc said: 'm glad everyone enjoys them!! I have a lot more pictures they were on the old fashion slides so I am having them put on a cd should be done in a week..........hey bill yes the autocar is still around and I finally convinced my father to restore it but that's a slow process Bill Ludewig said: Thanks for the reply. I am very glad to hear your Autocar/Holmes 850 is still around.Better yet,you are restoring the truck.Love old Wreckers, and their history. Please give me a call when you get the chance. I couple of things I would like to talk to you about. 847-343-6681 Cell Thank you, Bill Ludewig Ernies Wrecker Service Vernon Hills Illinois 88autocarnrc said: They everyone i got a couple slides back heres a few now but theres about 45 of them on my profile under old slides enjoy!!! Bill Ludewig said: WOW -Great photos, Really like the one of the new Ford with the new Holmes Wrecker. So did you buy that truck? And, I also really like the photos of your Autocar/850 Holmes. Thank you very much for posting all those photos. Bill Ludewig Ernie's Wrecker Service Vernon Hills Illinois dsc said: Great pictures, thanks for sharing... vulcanuk said: out standing pictures, i love older recovery photo,s especially with adapted units like yours strollostowing said: The picture of the GMC with the Holmes 650 is my favorite. Is that your grandfather? I met him once a long time ago. He was a true wreckerman. If I remember correctly he was crushed under a bus once and was able to get out and survived? I think that was the story. Did not Frank Coady begin his career @ Martineau's ? You have legacy in the industry and some great old pictures . Be proud and keep it going. thank you Sean spanky said: Great pictures. Thanks for sharing them. I really dig the ''47-53 GMC, with the W35. 88autocarnrc said: Im glad everyone enjoys the pics! ......Yes Sean that was my grandfather.. bus fell on him in 87 and he survived and drove home (crazy old man) and yup Frank did work for him way before my time. My brother and I are currently taking over tuff industry tho with a lot of bad politics. Thank you for the post i appreciate the good words you speak of my Grandfather and company! J R Martineau
  24. Topic Originally Created by Biglerboyz in March of 2016: Does anyone else have problems receiving payment from Allstate? We are not contracted, but will do their calls with credit card. The credit cards they issue are consistently declined. We have to call Allstate and they promise to have card services call within 2 days. After 2 days, we never receive a call back from card services. Next, we have to call back to back to Allstate and attempt to get a credit card. Typically, they will put us on hold and finally get a valid card. We typically have an extra hour just trying to get paid. This time was the same as usually, card declined, called Allstate, wait 2 days for card services to call, no call from card services and finally call back to Allstate. However, this time Allstate claims the card was charged (funny it isn't in our cc history). I attempted to speak with a supervisor, but was advised they do not have supervisors. I asked for a phone number to card services, but they do not accept incoming calls. Does anyone else have similar problems? ESC said: I take their card, and run it before we start the truck. Also no goa, or cancellation refunds once the card is run. Never an issue. RodVT said: I run card first also. Always quote a flat fee, get paid, and go! EKYTow55 said: I always run the card first, NO SERVICE UNTIL CARD CLEARS they got me to do tire change on a Friday night after I got back to base to get the equipment I run the card and it was declined finally got a hold of Allstate and they informed the call was cancelled no call back? I don't get many with them anymore but be cautious! West Body Shop, Inc. - Axalta Coatings Systems jp245 said: Run the card with dispatcher still on phone. Trying to call back later is almost always going to be a problem, because you are rarely going to get in touch with the original dispatcher, and there is always a supervisor, that's who approves the price quote and credit card payment to begin with. In Memory of NationalAutow who said: I think it is a terrible sign that we cannot trust a big name provider club to do us right and pay us as agreed be it by CC or contract. I realize that when you do the number of services these clubs do that there will be an occasional issue however when you see a club have a "card" problem over and over or a club have a short mileage problem again and again, and most major clubs do this, well that is just plain wrong. It is really amazing to me that these same clubs represent major auto manufacturers and insurers and they get to act like that. You would think that if you were ABC Car Company, and you let XYZ motor club handle your calls, your image could be tarnished by the actions of that motor club. One thing I have learned in life is that "what goes around, comes around". I do not think I would want to be some of these clubs on the back side. oldwinch said: we need a national do not tow for a motor club day it needs to be wrecker co holiday!!! DodgeTowGuy134 said: Yes, everyone's input about running the credit card FIRST and with the motor club dispatcher STILL on the phone line is the best move to ensure, not having payment issues! Also, I do believe that the credit card info they provide is "time locked" so that it will only allow you to run the card for a certain length of time before it will decline, such as having only 24-hours to run the card...Thus why it's a good idea to run it FIRST, before the turn of a key on your truck. As others have mentioned, we too quote the services as a "flat rate" with no cancellations or GOA allowed. It's the best method we have found to ensure that we are properly paid for our services and without payment issues from motor clubs. In Memory of NationalAutow who said: As most of this boards participants are aware, any attempt to organize a strike against a motor club or clubs is most likely illegal. While I am no attorney, PLEASE be careful. I do not have enough money for my bail much less yours. EKYtow55 said: Had one Friday about noon on a tire change on a new Chevy, got a credit card# over phone ran just as soon as I hung up approved and done the call with no problem! West Body Shop, Inc. - Axalta Coatings Systems ccg said: I don't like to slam anybody especially fellow towers, so don't take it personal. you and others have the right to complain or protest in any non-violent way you wish which also means organizing a strike or boycott against oppression. there is a thing called the bill of rights, which guarantee you the right of free assembly and the freedom of speech. There is nothing illegal about protesting of being cheated out of which you have already earned. Believe me that conversation is most probably headed in the right direction. if any amount of you are serious it will take lots of planning and has to coordinated to when it will be most effective. the first and foremost thing is there needs to be an organized meeting to address the complaints to make sure we are all on the same page. Second don't be naïve you will suffer losses.not everybody will participate. only the strong survive. and if it is to be done it needs to be done with the element of surprise. but first a meeting to aired complaints and theory's discussed. you will not get anything changed without a concentrated effort. just my oppinon. In Memory of NationalAutow who said: I agree and DIS agree at the same time. I understand freedom of speech however I am fairly certain that there are laws in place against organizing a concerted effort to cause a business disruption. For example, many years ago in my area, local body shops got together to raise labor rates charged to insurance companies. In the end, some of the owners were actually jailed and prosecuted criminally for this. My understanding of the situation at the time was that any shop has the right to set its own rate HOWEVER, once that owner suggested that others do it and join him, it became illegal. If they all had raised their rates without ever discussing it among themselves then all would have been fine. The fact that they conspired together to force insurance companies to pay a higher rate was the illegal part. I would certainly invite more in depth discussion about what constitutes an illegal act on this. I know that TowZone certainly is aware of the prohibitions and legalities of this and of course if Mike McGovern reads this he might chime in. I do appreciate the original post and I do not wish to be argumentative. I do share a passion for this industry and I would hate to see you or any tower have what happened to a body shop owner many years ago happen. ccg said: no offense national tow but you are so off base with your comments about a strike. where do you get that stuff? TowZone said: I really wish Phillip aka NationalAuto could respond. However, Philip Julian passed on Monday morning, July 29, 2017, at home in Memphis, Tn. of a heart attack in his sleep. builder2 said: Phillip was one of the best minds on this forum, to bad he is gone I miss his posts. Ccg you need to study the anti trust laws. They probably will apply. ccg said: To builder 2 and anyone else that reads this post. the thing is that I have read most of the anti trust laws and for the most part understand them, but the laws are always made a little on the "vague " side to allow both sides to argue their interpretation. thus the sometimes needed services of an attorney. that being said please allow me to get to the point. According to your statement about the body shops organizing an effort to force the insurance companies to pay a higher labor rate may have been illegal depending on the actions they took. Was it an open forum? was there any justification for the rate increase? (was there a formula put into place). Was it directed only at insurance companies?(that in itself would be discrimination and price fixing ,that is just plain common sense.) If the shop owners would have agreed to raise their rates in general to all customers that is not discriminatory. now for the biggie... any time some makes a post read what it says not what you think it says. my original post was about how to organize a concentrated effort or strike for "being cheated out of what you have earned", however in previously posts I have given "examples " what I consider to be economically and realistic feasible rates for the services I offer. Here is where the problem exists, very "FEW " of the people in this industry have the knowledge of how to figure out their cost and expense's as related to the rates they want to charge. Almost in every industry all competitor's whom provide the same type services have the same type of expense's in general.(basic) In my opinion ,which a rather large competitor taught me to try an educate your competitor ,(it will make life easier for you ) on how to figure out a rate structure . What really needs to happen is to come up with a Basic formula with examples explaining just what the basic expenses are.that would be a good start. As far as a work stoppage or strike you as an individual have a right to refuse any work at any time,you own your own business. I believe the term "blue flu" was used in the past by police personel protesting one thing or the other. You are an American (I think) and you are entitled to certain Inalienable Rights,that allow you to live ,work ,or not to as you chose. if you don't agree that is your choice, but the issue I was referring to is being cheated out of what you have already earned not whether you should be paid $150 per hour for digging a ditch with a shovel because the other guy using an excavator is getting $150.00 per hour.
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