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  1. After more than 15,000 views on January 9th and over 200 respectable replies other than one from Jamie Dougherty where he would Fire both drivers. On January, 9th 2008 Cliff responded with: I can't believe 5 pages. I hope everyone has learned from this post. Just a note though, walking this would do you no good, unless you weigh 58,000 lbs., remember the ground would kick up dust as you walked on it. Very hard ground(for the first few inches). Never saw it coming! Maurice Trevor Andrews responded: Cliff take the "shoulda woulda coulda" with a grain of salt. The folks that know of you and the operation you run knows that you would'nt go out there knowing that was beneath the surface and like you said, unless you weigh 58,000 pounds you would have never seen it coming either. An Unknown Member responded: I am just speechless by what happened here. As someone who works in the excavation business, I have never seen or heard of any ground situation like this ever. It reminds me of the lava flows in Hawaii, hard crust on top that takes considerable force to break through... but when you do, throw out a life ring cause your gonna sink fast. Also remided me of what happens when someone breaks through the ice on a frozen lake. WOW 100 post and 15000 views. Cliff, your sacrifice of pride by displaying these photos and telling the story has paid dividens in the education of others about potential dangers. I commend you for posting these and want you to know that you should be proud that you touched so many people with your thread. Tims Truck Service responded: That makes for a Super bad Week !!! Thanks for Posting the Pics. ..... It gives us all Something to Think about & gives us all a new Perspective before taking a Piece of Equipment off Road again......TIM DJ The Tow God responded: I show this to the boss anytime we have an incident. He then begins to realize that his problems aren't quite that bad. Just imagine the actual cost of recovering those trucks. Then add to that the repairs and cost of recertifying everything. Really puts things into perspective. Brian Bell responded: LOL I guess it could always be worse... The " Incident Plan" TouTube video has views in the millions. This topic was Bumped last in 2017 and was one of the most viewed topics on the old message board system.
  2. Topic Originally Created by cliffwm10069 in November of 2006: This was a recovery one of our drivers responded to with our 1060 stick. While driving in he was throwing up dust (that should tell you how dry the road was). and then it happened,the road gave out from under us. truck #2 responded and got within 1/2 mile of the red truck and it fell in. Eppler towing and a cat d-7 w/winch was brought in to help retrieve the 2 tows and the bobtail. NOTE; the black cloud over our head for three days, we took the picture of it 5 miles away. did i mention it took 3 18 hour days and a bent boom on the yellow 4024 eppler truck before it was over. this is what we were heading for. there's the d-4 with a winch we thought could help my pickup bringing in supplies(or so i thought) this should have been a sign! This is what we did after we were done. and then company meeting to follow!
  3. Topic Originally Created by Checkerwrk2 in July of 2013: I am 20 years old and I have worked with my dad as long as I can remember, Being a female in this industry makes it harder to be taken serious sometimes.. I work now in the office at my dad's Towing & Salvage Company but I have been on those all nighters in the tow truck, And I was just curious to see how many other women are in this industry. certifiedautomallNJ said: i know there's one by me and a guy whos young daughter rides with him all the time... Don't think that its just bc your a girl they don't take you serious im 20 as well and theres people who dont wanna talk to me just my dad. Fredstowingnj said: I have no problem with females in this industry as long as you can do the job and do it good.Who cares if you male,female,white,black,blue or purple. blue hills towing said: my sister owns this company.my father founded in 1969 then my sister took over in 1986.we are one of the few female owned towing companies in mass.we have 16 trucks which include 2-50 tons 4 medium dutys 12-16 ton 8 flatbeds ranging from medium to heavy size.2 lt duty wreckers,1 kw landoll tractor trailer,then 1 service truck.we are well known to the Boston area.we provide towing service to multiple police agencies,and a numerous amount of commercial accounts. cbdancer said: well if it make any difference my first instructor was female and she pointed out one of the biggest things that still hold true today it doesn't matter how old the truck is if you keep it clean inside and out you will get more respect from people because being a tow truck it is not expected! (she also taught me some neat rollover tricks as well!!) George littletow said: Wow! I am glad men responded as well. I commend you for seeing what is out there. I am 38, single, female, towing business owner, safety instructor, TRAA Officer,and WTRAA officer. I started in the business in 1997 with my xhusband. Four years ago I divorced, moved and started a new towing company. I will not kid you, it is tough. Earning the respect of your peers is tough in this industry especially when the majority are men. I have learned alot, if you are honest, stick to what you know and be accountable for your actions,have determination, and motivation it doesn't matter what I am. Don't let anyone tell you, you can't do it. As far as the comment from Autotowing, your credibility doesn't come with age. It you offer a good service or product it will speak for its self. Standing behind your word is what makes you credible I don't care if your 12. Wisdom comes with age..... All I can say is, you go girl!!!! Authorizedtowing said: All I can say is I've had one female driver in 27 years of being in business and I sure do miss her she was the best employee I have ever had never turned anything down always wanted to learn willing to go anywhere anytime she keep her truck spotless when it got slow she cleaned the office and shop without being asked and I was able to teach her things in two days that I couldn't teach men in two weeks boy I sure do miss her. Tony York said: I agree with fred what difference does it make. If you don't think so think of this . If you had 5 operators do the same task all wearing a mask and it turned out that the best one took off the mask and was a female would you eat your hat? cus you really should. unknown member said: Another male chiming in , all us men could and should learn a great deal from or female towers,owners!!!!! Autoexpresstow69 said: this is cynthia........my daughter........she da boss!.....lo TowinggirlFL said: I am 34, female. I have been towing (driving a flatbed) for 14 or so years. It could be hard, not always, to get the respect of the male drivers. Just work hard, do it right and they will respect you. Had the same issue when I started, occasionally I run into guys that dont like it that I drive a tow truck, oh well, its what I do, I am good at it and I love it. I actually had a customer refuse to let me tow his car because I am a woman. DO NOT let it get to you. You can do anything and be anything you put your mind and heart in to. Call me anytime, I would be glad to talk to another woman in this industry. Stephanie Cahill ALL TIME TOWING Lake Park, FL Tabatha said: I have been in the industry since '95. I can drive a flat bed, egale claw, wheel lift, sling truck (I hated that truck, kept smashing my fingers...lol) and the service truck. I am certified CTTA trained. Among a few others... The first couple of years were tough on me. The guys always said something stupid. When I didn't just "go away" I started to earn their respect. They would come by and check on me if they knew I was in the area. They would stop and sometimes give me tips on how to do some neat hook-ups... The minute I hooked-up to a car, that car becomes mine. I treat each and every car like my own, I tow the way I would want to be towed. In all the years I have towed, I have only damaged 1 car. I was in a hurry and took a short cut. Never again did I take any short cuts, and my drivers know that I will not stand for it as well.... anyways.. that's my 2 cents. Ed barker said: I have nothing against a female in this industry in anyway. But, I will be totally honest, I find it very hard to deal with a female owner in any type of business and I will usually try to talk to a man,,, No disrespect intended in anyway but I was raised that you deal with a man in business,, it is just something that is hard to shake loose of in today's changing world. Call me "OLD FASHIONED" because that is what I am,,, and like I said I am just trying to be honest with you. If it helps any I also feel funny dealing with a male hair dresser/beautician ,,,,,that's just a little out of my league,,, I get really nervous of a male that packs around tissues,,,). If a woman can hold up in this business and not be a slacker Then Ill gladly support you in this industry. And I truly believe it is hard for a woman to fit in in this industry,,, if you want it bad enough you can overcome any and all negativity,,, put in 110% and earn your link in the "CHAIN". Take care,Ed Eric said: To me...females dont have to earn respect.......they are just as even as guys.......sometimes I see men needing to respect ladies a little more..... LetsPlay2 said: You go girl!!! I would love to see more women driver's in our industry.. Just hard to find them... I believe they have a better work ethic then a lot of their male counterparts. Devin unknown member said: I would have to say that everyone is correct you dont find many women doing this job!! My wife is the one that owns our company and yes she can also drive flat beds ( even double hooked ) she can drive self loaders, slings, and yes even heavies and mediums. She started working for a company that was small ( As a dispatcher ) Then wanted to learn what the guys went though on the road so started going for ride along s and learning how to use the equipment and yes there are some guys looking for jobs back then because they didnt like the fact that she could do there jobs and would do them!!! I give all the respect in the world to any woman that can do what she says in this industry to every woman on here my hat is off to you guys (woman) unknown member said: Here in Matthews or Charlotte, N.C. I have never seen a female tower but if I ever do dinner is on me. I would love to see a woman tower changing a tire for a man would be my all time high and yes I would have to take a picture of it. I would love to see female towers here in charlotte , nc Shannon said: When ever I come across a female driving truck, operating a wrecker or turning wrenches, the first thought in my mind... that's cool Colotow said: i worked with 4 or 5 woman drivers in denver, and my girlfriend has way more light duty experience than i do, she's on the board as "walkertow", and she does it as a single mom of 3 little ones (6, and twins are 4!) i'll work with, train, assist, backup, and support anyone who wants to learn and is willing to do the whole job, not just the fun or high-paying parts. gender doesn't matter. tommytows said: i've been lucky enough to work with a lady tower , she worked with another company but if i needed help or if she needed help we would give each other a hand , and if i was busy i would recommend her and she would do the same for me. walkertow said: I,m really glad to see other females in this industry. There is alot of opportunities for all races and sexs. I,ve been at this profesion for 20 plus yrs and have met very few women that accually work in the field. Trained a few, some stayed but went into the office . But must admit the ones that stay in the field can handle the job just fine. Haven,t met to many that drive 'heavys' myself... I still consider that a mans job but have done everything else and done it with the skills we all need to have. Professional [well spelling doesn,t count ] hehehe . Welcome to all the women that will try and do there best. And as for changing a mans tire do it every day !!!! You would be surprised at how many men are actually not mechanically inclined . Get good tips from the men , and the women want to learn . Hang in their girls I,m 44 and still doin it . bigtow00 said: My sister owns a towing company. 6 years ago our father decided to retire and sold us his business. I purchased 2 locations and my sister purchased one location. I have no problems with women in this business. I have had female drivers and I am currently trying to recruit one that worked for one of my competitors till 2 years ago, now she manages a convenience store. Such a waste of talent, 10 years of experience, 4/5 WreckMaster, commercial drivers license. We always thought it was funny to send a woman operator out to change a tire on a mans car. diamondtowing said: my wife tracy can drive better than anyone of my guys she does the work of three men and takes care of my kids. i love her and respect her as an equal. unknown member said: ey fellow towchicks! I started a towing company two years ago in Jersey with my husband. Needless to say I am now starting up a second company of my own. It is GREAT to see other females out there getting down and dirty. Glad to see I am not alone, although it did take forever to find this site. I get the look like I just stepped off a spaceship. Wintertime is great because with a hoodie you can hide the fact that you are female. It's all about what you enjoy. You really have to enjoy the adventure that comes with towing. I traded my cosmetology and teaching license/certificate for towing and love every minute of it. Cheryl said: I am so glad I came across this post!! I have been driving off for 12+ years and now own my own little company in AZ. I see very few women towers, but have come across quite a few female owners. The thing is they usually aren't very friendly. I would love to have other women to be able to share experiences with, and "support" each other in this male dominated business. It just seems it is so cutthroat! I believe there are more than enough cars out there for all of us. I moved to AZ a year and a half ago, and it's been rough not knowing anybody, or knowing AZ rules. If any of you girls have any advice or encouragement, I gladly welcome it. Cheryl Anthem Roadside Service Anthem, AZ. unknown member said: My wife has jumped into a truck to fill in (she has the fancy State job for 21 years now). Yes she is a WreckMaster. What I like about a female on the job is they will think about how the truck can do the work (instead of the male "I can lift that" ideas). Her favorite call was a flat tire for two 20 something males. They were a bit freaked when a 30 something girl was changing their tire. She went on to explain to them how much easier it was with the 2 foot breaker bar she got as an anniversary present The other great thing is when we did recoveries together. The husband, wife thing worked well and impressed the officers. AIKTOW4U said: my wife operates my light duty wreckers my light duty rollback and my medium duty rollback. we drag our 2 kids out there with us. (always aware of them and thier safety) we work well together and acually seem to anticapate what each other is thinking. she has had some very good ideas to help with recoveries and I can send her out to do lift and tows as well as flatbed calls with the knowledge she will get the job done and return home safely (she carrys a hand-gun) we watch each others back and when we have a transport of the opposite sex no issues with harrasment. seems the female client is more at ease with her there and the male clients are at ease cause i am there. a win win ! our company also gets good recognition as the one with "the female wrecker operator". stay safe work smart come home . c-ya in the ditch MTA415 said: I've met and know personally a few Women in Towing, Mrs Coe, Jeanette Rash and they seem to be worth there weight in gold in all honesty and wouldn't trade the real players for nothing. But I must admit my "little buddy" up there in Georgetown, TX Angie "littletow" Roper has got it together and she is a true professional and continually strives to be the best, even though I got bushes taller than her! I couldn't help it, just had to sneak in a short joke! (she's so short you can see her feet in her drivers license picture!) I ain't nothing but love you know. littletow said: Trevor, you are my buddy for life! Thank you for the kind words! Got some good surprises coming this year at the San Antonio Show if it goes through. Women in the industry will be proud! Will keep you all posted! unknown member said: Our youngest daughter (without Dad's help) landed herself a driver's job with the tow service Dad used to work for - and was seriously good at it! Dad refused to train her(smart, huh?) but gave her advice if she asked, little helping hints, etc. I think she had pretty much everyone's respect as a tower. She truly liked the work, the challenges -(get this) just didn't like the aloneness of it!! I'd have thought a kid(23) would love being alone, no supervisor, - go figure! I myself am deeply involved in the towing business - under "support services". Tax advisor/bookeeper,one who tends the home fires - and those ruined dinners, missed family events, middle of the night phone calls...., and late night road trip seat buddy. It's not a job - it's a lifestyle. And it's his chosen one. Charlie Rittenhouse said: I started my company 25 years ago and my wife has been there every step of the way. She runs the company from the office I am in charge of the truck maintenance and the drivers. If it wasn't for my wife this company would not survive when i say my prayers I nominate her for sainthood. Behind every good man there's a great women. parkerstowing said: i agree with fred for sure . my hats off to all the women in the towing industry for doing a great job parker's towing newton,ms 39336 WM050915 said: My better half works right there beside me. She runs the flat bed. She is WreckMaster level 2/3 and will be upgrading soon. She assists with training, she does almost all of the paperwork, and she regularily operates the service truck and there fore does tire changes for men all the the time. I get comments about her all the time. She works harder than I do. Is just as willing to get up in the middle of the night to get jobs done. If it were possble I would hire only women. They are more carefull, they keep the trucks cleaner and are less likely to try to hide damages etc. Their paperwork is always neat, and complete. They tend to stay cleaner than guys too. I have worked with a couple different female towing operators in the past, yes one was trained for heavy's too. The look on some peoples faces is priceless when a lady shows up on a scene, winches a car out of the ditch onto the bed and does a proper 4 pt tie down. We have had to add some odd tools to the truck to aid her in hooking up etc. Like a folding step stool, and a long reach hook to grab straps and stuff. But now when I look back, all of that type of stuff makes my life easier too so I don't mind when she asks for toys cause I know she will take good care of em. My darlin' Roxie is one of the best rookie operators I've seen in my 15 years in a tow truck. She even reminds me when I am making a mistake. She asks lots of great questions and retains the info better than most guys. Is not affraid to stop in mid job to call me to ask if what she is doing is right. In 2 years I have never had a complaint about her, tons of compliments though. She ain't fast but she sure is thorough. I will take that any day over a guy who knows it all and keeps getting claims all the time. I think we need more women in all aspects of this industry. Some female WreckMaster Instructors would likely put a few of us boys in our place. Fetch said: Killed by a drunk driver, Dr. Hook trucks now adorn a purple ribbon as depicted in this photo, for Amanda Frizzley. A woman was in the business, and all their trucks show it. My competition has his daughter help him on most calls, or has her operate when he is unavailable. Hagentowing said: houghts and prayers to all of the fallen drivers and their families. My husband and I own Dunne's Towing. I started by doing paperwork and riding along and assisting on the tows. I am now wreckmaster 4/5 certified and going for 6/7 the next time it's close (May). We have light, medium and heavy trucks as well as landoll trailers. I run all of the trucks when needed and do the training for all of our new guys. I prefer not to get dirty but will jump in when necessary. Dunne and I work well together as many of the other husband and wife teams have mentioned. Together we can get any job done and have had many compliments on it. I wouldn't trade this crazy lifestyle for anything! (I just realized I'm logged into my husband's account - This is Celia DunnesTowing) In Memory of NationalAutow who said: I think that any modern progressive lender is going to look beyond your sex. I fail to see how that should have any bearing. As for things you can do, establish yourself. Get that credit score well above 700 and keep it there. Have some cash in the bank and know that the more you put down on equipment, the more a finance company will want to bank you. You also need to start with a WRITTEN business plan. You need to cover what market segments you are going after and give some detail on how you will get these new customers on board with YOUR NEW company. Or. you can go other ways. Do you "self identify" as a woman? The question is rhetorical of course but there is always another way. If changing your name from Ann to Andy would make a difference, etc. In thinking out this response, it had just dawned on me that in this day and time, a female actually could have an advantage. Think diversification and government contracts. If you are going to do police towing are there any other woman owned towers in use? Don't you think it is time that you show them what a woman can do? You have to play the cards you are dealt. Whatever they are, play them well. Michael McGovern said: I grew up in a towing family that included my mother and three sisters. I certainly have no problem with women in towing ... as long as they don't insist on using the men's restroom. Wreckergirl said: I am a woman and own Allstar towing been towing since I was 16 ( I am 35). had my license one day walked into a salvage yard looking for a wheel cover for my car and someone said "hey you want to make some money?" started that day by steering a big dump truck that the tow truck could not get the wheels off the ground so I had to steer it so it followed the truck. Within a week I was driving that tow truck! been towing ever since. when we moved here I could not find a job anywhere in towing ( funny thing is when I lived in the southern part of the state could have gotten a job no problem! everyone knew me) so I started Allstar towing with a 89 f350 wrecker now we have a 98 C6500 and a 97 K3500 and a service vehicle ALLSTAR TOWING & RECOVERY 24hr towing & roadside Assistance. Coleman wi 920-594-0432 "Just one call & you're hooked" nybulldog said: My husband Dennis showed me this post and said I should tell a story that happened just a few days ago and actually happens all the time. My name is Jamie, I am a female tow truck driver in our family owned business. I am about 5' tall and about 110lbs. So we got a call to change a tire and I was dispatched. The driver was told a young lady would be on her way shortly. When I arrived and walked up to the man the first words out of his mouth were "Well, I was at least hoping you were going to be harry, or fat, ugly or have something wrong with you... are really going to change my tire?" I said yes and got to work... until I realized this guy was going to try to tell me how to do everything and stand as close as possible to see what I was doing. Long story short I did the job and he did end up thanking me and apologized for underestimating me. But this happens on most jobs. And if its not a story like this its one like when I towed/ winched a trooper out of the ditch on the northway- he was glad I did it just embarrassed that a girl had to come to his rescue. His fellow officers picked on him for a long time. There are a lot of times I go out on H/D calls and men tend to feel embarrassed or stumble over themselves trying to help when I'm around throwing chains - I guess thinking I can't do it. or don't know hookup points. and they don't like being told what to do by a female (ex. like which way to turn the steering when being winched- they think they know what way is right even if you tell them different) Dennis tells me to walk tall, even if its on my tippy toes ... and carry a big stick! ... LOL TowZone added: As found on FB (FRANCE)
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  6. With the current on going discussions. This topic from 2005 may actually be relevant. Keep in mind these comments are from as early as July of 2005: Who are the Industry Leaders? Who do you see as industry leaders or who do you think is an industry leader? Do you want to know who has the interest of your future in mind? Do you care who holds such positions within the industry? Note: We have active Industry Leaders within our Network. I expect each and every member here to show them common courtesy. If you take issue with something keep it civil and within context. The same applies to e-mail and phone conversations. Trust me! I will use my authority here to enforce a suspension or ban if you step over this line. Heffy004 Said: BigRedTowing said: OK!!! I will be the first to really voice my thoughts on this... Here is a start to my list and the reasons why I consider them the leaders... Ron Parish... TOW411... need I say more? the core WreckMaster TEAM... Providing the "training and tools" to make sure that more operators can do their jobs safely and make it HOME! The rest of the "trainers" here ei... Wes,Tom, and Dave... for doing their part in training operators Jerry(Jerry's Garage) for being an outspoken Pres. of a state asso. and stepping to the plate Sam Brewer (TRAA Pres.) for being an active Pres. VA SUE, Scott Burrows, Bruce, George... for being active State Leaders And "LAST BUT NOT LEAST" The ACTIVE members here on TOW411... You Are making a difference!!! Auto Rescue said: Mike DeHaan Wisconsin Towing Association Known here as "mrdmrd" Twinbulls said: Well here lies the problem: For the most part most towers don't know any leaders... Let alone name them... I know a few that live and eat towing and I have met a few that train and preach safety to us. But we here are the few.. I have talked to many about this site to get the word out .. That there are many that care about what is going on in this industry. But... If you are here and read these posts and contribute than I think you are a leader... Even if you just view the posts and gain info you are moving the industry forward.. And for those that speak out and raise questions and those who give answers. Whether you know it or not you are leaders... Look at how many hits and posts this site has that means that others are getting the info and facts ... Just a thought I had.. Tim Senatorb said: Ron, I found that by sidelining and watching I have found many leaders hidden in the pack but will jump out once given the chance. I look at people like Western Towing and their work to help in HR3 and other legislation. I look at Gerry Prendergast a single man band (Don't mean your not married Gerry) and his willingness to do anything for the industry. I look at Jerry as well and see the hours he puts in on this board and on the TRAA Governing board. I look at our new President and speak to him once in a while when he is in, and say yep we picked a good leader. And finally I agree, I look at this board and am proud and anxious to see the new leaders we are developing for you see I am an old fart, and in seeing our Industry Leaders coming up the ladder, I know we will be here for a long time. In closing, I think this board gives us an opportunities to meet those leaders accross the country we would have otherwise never met. To those I have not shaken your hand, I offer it in the fellowship of this brotherhood of ours, and hope it will grab your out there sometime someplace Bruce Baker Arizona IBA jackmaster said: very "old fart" whom is out there working or just coming in every day is a leader, They are leading by example! They are the ones who have built their company,managed it, hired the young ones and showed them how, and have encouraged the trainers to go out and train those whom wanted to learn. They are the ones who had to learn how to get er done by doing, and trying. They weren't always successful, on their first try, but instead tried again until they got it. How many of these people worked their asses off doing it the hard way, until they came up with an easier way to do it! We owe a debit of gratitude to the "old farts" for making it as easy as it is for us and for having the fore-site to set up training so we could learn from others mistakes, with out having to fail ourselves! There is nothing like watching an "old fart" working an old 750 or any mechanical wrecker, seeing how they did it and then seeing how it is done today with modern equipment! There is a wealth of knowledge out there, and it is up to us to ask questions of these people to learn from them, The real leaders of our industry! glen In Memory of DNDTOWINGCOM who said: I say the industry leaders are us! Each and every one of us! We just need to get off our butts and make it happen. You don't like something? Change it, get help to change it, inform others of the changes needed. Communicate with others in the same industry and even the same market. Work with not against competition. SO you got a low baller, Leave em be and go 'bout making your business and yourself better and every one you care about know that you want better for every one around you. Make yourself , each and every one us, the leader we have inside become that leader the industry needs!~Dann North County Tow said: In my years of towing I have met MANY I would consider Industry leaders, too many to mention here. I think that anyone who puts his/her full effort into their business is a leader. I also believe that this board is a great place to start with leaders. Where else can you post a question and get so many opinions/answers? My mother always said, "I'm entitled to voice my opinion, and you should be receptive enough to listen to it, regardless of what you think of it. Take it or leave it, but it's my opinion. Karen from Cali. In Memory of Va Sue who said: Alright RON Do your job!! Didn't you say no disparaging remarks? Well, I know most women don't spend ALLLL the money...what about those chrome covered trucks? LOL Va Sue TowTrk1 said: Right now, I feel that the leading of this industry is in the process of changing hands from the older generation to the new generation. Granted this will take time as it is not a formal ceremony, but it is happening. I don't feel it's really fair to name names here as far as who IS a Leader, and who ISN"T. There are so many of us out here doing the best we can with what we have that the procession of this industry is led by different people in different ways ( I don't mean directions, I mean methods). It's apparent that this industry is effected in different ways across the country. It can not be "led" by one group in one area of the country. What works here, doesn't work there. I think that with the exception of the Industry Trainers, who train nationwide, the "leaders" lead the industry in their respective region. It must be a group effort with a least a few common goals. TowZone said: Many of the industry leaders can be found on the walls of the Hall of Fame located within the International Towing & Recovery Hall of Fame and Museum in Chattanooga, Tenn. To understand why these persons were leaders you would have to define a leader. You would also have to determine how each of them worked their way into a place of distinction. As many were self appointed within an industry which has never been united. To my knowledge the only persons that came anywhere close to bringing an industry together were met with opposition. From what was termed the Good Ole Boys Club. I've heard that term used for more then 2 decades, the early days when it was made up of a very elite crowd to just a few years ago. Many of that elite few are still around today. It's the same in most older organizations which I have been associated. Most of these persons at this point have little to lose or gain, but have been unwilling to let in new light. Just complain about how the younger generation doesn't share their interest. I'm sure these statements are upsetting to some persons within the industry to think that the times may be changing and an industry might once unite as never before. But you know "My Give Damn's Busted" *** For those without fear will step to the plate and be the leaders of tomorrow. Many contribute within Tow411.net, the Museum and within the current associations. Still others will contribute in their own time. Some of the elite crowd have seen them and others have not because they didn't take the time to look. They're individuals who did and do not wait for other people to give them permission to do something. A good leader accepts responsibility for the choices they make in life. They don't get sucked into the "victim mentality" syndrome, which is characterized by a persistent desire for people to blame others for their poor choices. Bottom line: Leaders realize that the decisions they make are all theirs, and thus take full responsibility for any resulting failures. I'm not sure how many good leaders the towing industry has actually seen by the definition of a good leader. I've seen very few over the course of more then 2 decades. But then I can not name you a dozen person honored within the Hall of Fame. Sadly enough very few of us can, possibly when the new Museum Website is complete we will have the information only a click away. It seems a very fitting tribute. Now back to looking for leaders in the world of Towing -Leadership is the defining ingredient that separates the mediocre from the superstars. It's the act of persuasion. It's getting people to see new perspectives and do things they normally wouldn't do. It's about setting your ego aside and having the passion and charisma to get people to follow you. Leaders don't follow. They just do. Can an average tower become a leader? Yes, most certainly. People can transform themselves and make huge strides in leadership abilities just as they do in other areas of personal development. It starts with inner self-leadership and expands outward to influence and move others around you. Leadership is about self-direction and self-control and shows in what "we do." Become the right kind of person (passionate, responsible, doer, believer) and others will flock right into your lap, and not until. Often to be a good leader you must open doors to see what is on the other side. Shake some trees and see what falls out and in the case of a tower get down in the ditch. Maybe that is what DC meant by "see ya in the ditch". We're going to open some doors, shake some trees and get down in the ditches, cause our future leaders are right here on Tow411.net But, like other areas of self improvement, it's no easy task, because man's even woman's (sorry) natural instinct is mediocrity. Yes, mediocrity. It would be nice if we could all become leaders by simply following a few simple steps. But the path to leadership requires finding our own way. The direction we take will differ for each of us. We see that within are own membership as each of us step to the plate and take on a task. However, there are a few key traits within each of us we can focus on and if only a few become leader the rest of us can take pride in the fact they we put them there and they we were chosen by us as the most qualified. Now just how do we determine who will lead the industry. That is something each of us must seek and it may take opening doors, shaking trees and getting down in the ditches. To me it's worth it besides I've spend some time in the trenches. *** True Statement I've heard the talk and the worry in the voices that a younger group is going to kick their senior members out after all they have done. Myself, I would rather pass on the torch to the next generation and spend my time as a mentor. Better to be happy then being bitter that my time had now passed. I wish we had a few more of the older generation within our network for they hold the key to our future. One would think to be remembered as a leader then a mediocre old man would be a legacy time could not destroy. I want to be remembered as an Honest Man who did all that he could do. Thank you for getting this far. letsplay2 said: I have met many a great leader's thru this board and personal trips across the U.S. but I have also met a lot of wanna be's that are in the position of power but only abuse it. God bless this industry. Devin towmanjc said: Industy leaders here in western pa.. Bob Mcgann & Pat Herring!! two of the best!! TowZone said: See this is good, let's keep going. Many of us have little clue as to who the movers and shakers were and who they are. If these persons are not active on the board. Granted many have done something years ago and because they're still patting themselves on the back and they expect those who follow to remember. Remember what many of us have no clue this thing they did. If we did have an understanding history may very well be preserved and we could recall them as noteworthy or leaders. Please JC, tell us about Bob Mcgann & Pat Herring and what makes them Industry Leaders in Western PA Edit: I really need to get out more. I didn't put it together and I apologize as Bob Mcgann who is a Tow411 Patron Member - Mcgann and Chester We need to all know more about our members, we really do have many within our network who are active in the industry. Jerrys Garage said: I am going to name one here. He is active in his State Association, Active in the TRAA, Works with me close on some TTTA matters, has 2 towing companies of his own, tends to the matters of the Towing Museum daily.. Mr. George Connley Now for his side kick, Jerry Bullock, active with the Museum (even after a stroke), A Fonding Member of the TRAA, was active in his State Association Both of these men I am proud to call friend and Industry Leader. Chuck said: Ron great Job. ( want to be remembered as an Honest Man who did all that he could do. Thank you for getting this far. ) ibflat2 said: well I know a few of the leaders and people on the wall at the museum.. I bet I could name a dozen.. And with not looking at the photos I have at home either. Lets see who some of the " WALLED " leaders are Gary Coe, one of the TRAA founders, past President. Very active in the Oregon Association. Also does great training programs to help grow and educate the industry.. Donna Coe, his wife, she was very active in the California Tow truck association, helped get laws changed to help the industry. Also is a fantastic trainer. Leonard Schultz, a founder of TRAA, great businessman who was instrumental in changing some laws in Oregon and in Portland dealing with towing rates. Great boss, worked though some major medical conditions to grow the company. He is not deceased ( nominated to museum after his death. ) Jerry Bullock. what can I say about the " BULL " seems everyone knows him and what he has done. ALso one of the founders of the museum and TRAA Bernnie Alm, president of Vulcan, (before the buy out ) pioneer in hydraulic recovery units. Created some of the stongest units like the 940 and also the frist "OVERLIFT underlift system " Cradle Snatchers. Junior Elmore from Cheyenne Wyoming, helped educate the wyoming troopers in what a tow truck can and can not do. Helped to change laws or make them with is own time and money. Founder the Wyoming tow association. Took Colorado State Weight stations to court and won over a very dangerous practice of making trucks sit on the highway to get weighed. Ross Kinaman one of the first trainers in the towing industry. Can not forget Donnie Cruise, all around wonderful guy. Great trainer ( I had attened many classes before Donnie created Wreckmaster with him instructing) Ken Cruise for continuing the vision of Wreckmaster.. Howard Kauff one of the orginal PWOF people and also a TRAA founder. Chuck Malcom, from Arizona (hope that is right ) one of the TRAA Founders. Very active in the local association there... George Connely, leader in the industry in Colorado, active in making towing more professional and respected there. Also helped found the Towing Museum. Others to mention, not sure that they are on the wall but should be Jon Lehman Creater of " PHOOTNOTES ",need I say more Melvin Dickey of seattle washington very active in the washington association who changed weight laws with tow trucks so that we were not overweight before we even towed the vehicle by creating system to get permits before we hit the scales. Al Elkins and also Gene Gratzer of the Oregon and Washington tow truck association (respectivly ) who as executive directors and lobbyists helped change things to make the industry better. Ron Parrish should be up there for having the vision for TOW411 and a bit of horn tooting for Stormin Norman Horton who created Price Per Pound which is slowly gaining acceptance in the industry for billing methods.. and saving the last for the guy that works his tail end off for his passion to help keep the heritage alive Our OWN JERRY RIGGS... for all the hillbilly does he deserves a place to help keep history alive... SO how did I do. all of them are leaders and deserve lots of praise! BigRedTowing said: Richard; I do agree with everyone that you listed... and I would add Justin Cruse to that list with Ken... What a wonderful job they both have done continuing the dream that Donnie had Atowman said: Actually, George Connelly is not an inductee. You would think that he is with the way he breaks his back for the museum. Right now his is ineligible because of his position but, that will change. FTI Groups said: So many great folks have worked hard to move this industry forward. Now we must all work to continue that forward progress. -Jeffrey Godwin McRae Towing said: Harold, Thanks for the tip of the hat to us lonely association leaders. We do our best! Glenn, About that "Old Fart" analogy of yours. I read all the comments and i didn't see Bill Jackson or his partner Fred Nobel, or Ross Kinman, Davy Jones, or Tommy Luciano and Joe Sroga. You have your up and comers like Wes Wilburn and Dave Lambert, and we get a lot of help from Harriet Cooley and Pete O'Connell from TRAA. But now I would like to also mention Mike McGovern, and an "Old Fart" named John Hawkins 11 (deceased) for helping a bunch of "County Boy's" in Vermont set up the professional trade association we have today. Boy could I go on! George. Da Wash Boss said: I can only speak for the so called association in Connecticut. it is a joke full phony people. when i see this association being run by someone who has wreckers breaking laws everyday of the week you have to wonder what kind of leadership is this. when bob halprin was running that association it was run the right way. after he passed from us it was never the same and can never be the same. this towing association is a joke, one can attend the meetings and everyone is buddy buddy but then next day its business as usual screw one another. hopefully someday the trpc can have true leadership and people who know how to run it for the benefit of everyone. i was once a member and was hoping to be an active member for the betterment of the association and fellow members however when your not liked and not part of the click things dont always work out. Daniel Cassello Scooby said: I have held off for a while on this to see some of the replies. Ron’s statement intrigued me. For the most part, he’s not to far from the path. Nevertheless, I’ am curious, these so-called industry leaders, who gave them the title anyways. It in a way, reminds me of a volunteer department. His peers elect an individual to chief, sometimes it’s really a popularity contest, and the best “qualified” person does not get elected. Once elected chief, they suddenly have qualified themselves on everything, because their chief now. I for the most part, see things in black and white. No color, no middle ground, no grassy medium. I will be the first to admit, that vision has caused a few problems over my career and my personal life. I, along with many others in the profession, work the field of battle everyday, thankful to be able to make it home alive and in one piece to see the wife and kids. We are called out to solve problems that other people have created and are incapable of solving them on their own. Leaders, instructors, or whatever label one will bestow on them, where they of complete genius or did they simply take ideas of others, package and sell them? I think the later in more cases. Not that there is anything wrong with that, what makes a good instructor/leader is one that has the capability of packaging ideas and giving them to the masses. The sad part is, they leave the impression out their for all that it was me, me ,me, me, me. Its not easy being a leader/one that is in charge. They alone accept the burden for failure and share the glory of success. They alone take the blame for mistakes made by their team/crew. They alone have to explain and except the responsibility why someone will not be coming home anymore, but have moved on to a better place then here. Maybe it’s not fair, but life isn’t fair anyways. Its not a job everyone is capable of, or should be. I have said this before in another posting. I have been blessed/privileged with being exposed to some extraordinary individuals over my career and travels. These individuals or groups of people will probably never have a plaque hanging in a museum or receive an industry award/honor at a banquet, but are/where truly ahead of their time. They where true professionals at their craft. As what was said to me many years ago in the rescue field by a department chief, being a professional is not whether you are paid or a volunteer, but is an attitude/gesture on how one carries themselves. It is a attitude. I understand that every industry/ profession has to have a leader (s), but they should be a professional. Moreover, quite throwing those expert labels, a true professional will be the first to admit he is not an expert. The definition of a expert, a self proclaimed know it all. In May of 2014 TowZone added: Keep in mind this topic is nearly 10 years old. I dug it out of the depths of Tow411 because we must to reflect on the past in order to progress into the future. Changes are taking place in the industry or at least the names and faces are beginning to change. Some of us are in the middle of the road while a younger generation is taking interest. I never desired to be an industry leader, I am an Industry Supporter and my assignment is to bring out the Industry Leaders. If you look at many of the members considered Industry Leaders on Tow411, they were just getting started on that path 10 years ago. Most were not even on Tow411, so who among us are the leaders of tomorrow and who are the leaders now. Yes, accept that the industry needs leaders. Organizers, like those leading many to an important meeting in Harrisburg, PA today certainly deserve a place on that list.
  7. This topic was originally created by TChitwood in the B&B Forum on Tow411 in October of 2013. The reason for the tag axle being up front is to help with the front end weight. Acestowing said: Is that a 12K front? I know the tag will help with the weight, but it won't help for maneuvering around in a yard or on the highway, my fear would be that it wouldn't dry steer with that kind of weight and only a single steering box? Bryce Weber - Aces Towing WM 091409 Level 6/7 1-519-889-3350 TChitwoood said: We've done several this way they steer fine ,haven't had any issues . As long as you remember to lift it up when backing up.We actually have more people wanting the axle closer to the cab. Updated: Following its appearance at the 2013 Baltimore Tow Show. It was purchased by HJ Towing & Recovery out of Carlisle, Pennsylvania below are some images from the companies Facebook page from 2014.
  8. Ken Cruse Created this Topic on Tow411 in October of 2002: “The Professional Look” - Food for thought We live in a fast-paced world and sometimes I am not sure if I like it that way. We all have a choice; we can go along with the crowd or cut out and go our own way. At first, pierced ears were only on females. Then there was one earring on guys. Now, some guys & grils look like they had a fishing tackle box blow up in their face. Again, that’s a choice. Still when working with the public, as we do in this industry, we should be aware that some of this hardware could be and should be left at home before you come to work. Dress code. Do we still have one? I am not sure anymore. It used to be that men removed their hats when they were inside a building. Now I see them in restaurants, hotels and banks with them left on. This year I saw a person sitting at the head table at the Tow Show Banquet and Awards Night with his ball cap on. Why did no one there tell him that he should remove it? Are we getting so laid back that we choose not to ask people not to do things that offend us? I see people getting their well-deserved awards in daily working attire. Yes I know some may not own a suit, although this is rare in today’s age. A shirt, tie and dress pants still go a long way. Your new football or baseball jersey doesn’t belong at banquets and award dinners. We do know how to dress but have we become so complacent that we don’t care? I think we just need a check up from the neck up! It is not only individuals in the towing industry that don’t dress well. Look at the bank managers and schoolteachers: these are the people that used to dress up to come to work. I am not saying we all do this, but if enough people dress down then it becomes the norm. We think that it is ok when it is not. What would you think if you went to see a lawyer and when you arrived for your appointment, he was at his desk wearing a t-shirt with a logo on it? We just assume lawyers know how to dress for business because that is what we are accustomed to seeing them in, and yes, we do think of them as professionals. We all would like to think of ourselves as professional, but do we conduct ourselves as such? Unfortunately, not all the time. We are quick to tell people that we are professional, that we could have done that job faster, better, and for less money then the other guy. Maybe when we stop telling people we are professional, we will become what we want to be. With all that said, we can do better. The world is watching and we are all leaders in this great industry we call towing. So let’s make a strong effort in this fight to do better business and dress for success. Ken Cruse DEINC said: I have to say I agree, I started my Towing Co 1 yr ago and I only can aford right now are, T - shirts/ sweat - shirts with my co logo and I just wear new clean Jeans. I would like to wear something better, but I just don't want to wear the same service type shirt and pants that everyone else has. That might be professional, but there has to be something just alittle better and I am looking for that look and the money to be able pay for it. Ken - I took the 2/3 course in Buffalo,N.Y. ( I am also from Buffalo ) this past sept/oct and I learned a great deal, plus some of the procedures just helped me out last night. If I have not went to that course, I would have been in a jam. The instructors were very good and I hope to have them again when I take the 4/5 course next year. Brian - WM011295 Curt Sharp said: Very well said Ken!! ACE said: Well said Ken, we are professionals & we should look the part, along with clean trucks & well maintained equipment (I didn't say anything has to be new) Ken Buehler Automotive Ont. Can. Freelance66 said: You would of really liked to see me last Sat! Since I'm on call BUT the weekends are usually slow I dressed up to take wife and baby shopping. We finished at the first store when a six wheeler crane blew the front diff. In the street. So I went in as is. The supervisor for the cust. unit was all apologetic!!!!! No problem as the mechanic for co. had pulled the shaft before I arrived!!! Then towed a straight job after that - no mess on da clothes! I can be very neat when needed. This only took 4.5 hours so the family was treated to dinner and more shopping! I love it when a plan comes together!!! Those two calls payed for the day off!!! Eagletow said: Brian , "Professional" as has been said doesn't have to be new. But like Steve said you don't have to get dirty to do your job. Look neat do it right and as long as you do your job right people will see you as a Professional . t-shirts,sweatshirts are OK as far as I am concerned. As long as they aren't ripped, filthy and everyone on scene has one on. Aanna make it look even better ,get some of the w/m turnout gear .before this winter really hits (this am. we got 5 inches of solid sunshine ) i 'm thinking of getting a couple sets . BLKWILL said: Well I still remember the smack I got in the back of my head the the first time I didnt remove my Hat in a building (grandmother) The kick in the A@& for the ear ring ( Dad) Not remembering the the first time (Grandfather) Guess we need more old school values!!!!!!!!!! chuck00385 said: Dear Ken, I couldn't agree more. I have the honor to introduce the guest speakers at our tow show, so I wore a suit and tie. The attendees thought I was the guest speaker. I know we go to the tow shows to relax and enjoy the time there, but at formal or awards banquets we should dress up to honor the recipients. Heck the hotel check in staff dress better than we do all weekend. CDG Patton's Five Star Towing 29700 Lorain Road North Olmsted Ohio 44070
  9. Jerry Riggs Created this Topic on Tow411 in January of 2004: Can you make a difference in this world. YES you can, I challange each and every board member to step up and make a difference in this world. Start with your self, family, business, then tackle the industry. It has been proven in 2003 that 1 man or woman can make a difference. BUT you have to become a group sometimes. One of the BIG things in 2003 for the towing industry was the Grand Opening of the International Towing and Recovery Museum and Hall of Fame, and Learning Center. They just did not buy a building and move into it, we had some very long days getting it ready. It was ready because a GROUP of men and women made up of a bunch of ones made the comminment to make a difference. Now it is you turn to make a difference, sit back and think what can I do for the industry. It does not matter be it civic, industry related (associations) would be a good start, yourself would be a good starting point (better operator) Folks the one in this picture is YOU, So with that said I challange you to make a difference in YOU, family, business, City, County, State, Industry. You set the way you want to go and when you improve one thing keep that going and tackle another one. Here we did and are still doing the Museum, City Animal Shelter, Car Seats for infants with the local PD, supply teddy bears to the local PD's and now the State Towing Association. WE WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN 2004 (AGAIN) My comment for 2004 will be the State Towing Association, to make it BIGGER and BETTER. Also the State Tow Show, to make it the BEST in the US. all I can do is TRY but you have to be willing to do that. jackmaster said: erry I am on the board of our state assn. I need help with our tow show also. The deal is we have great vendor's and are doing a driving championship in conjunction withe the Iowa Motor truck assn, But we cannot get the local and state towers to come to the show and partake withe the show, also we have less than 1/3 rd of the towers in the state as members. What do we do? thanks glen Jerry Riggs said: OK, for the lack of membership problem. I ask 1 question, how many applications have you given out. I carrey Museum and Association applications with me all the time, If I am in a guys yard, see them at the auto parts store, I give them the papers. Worst they can do is to throw them away. Give paper work out and say WE need your help. (go look at the Williamson County thread) As the old saying goes Talk is cheap, so talk it up. As for locals and tow shows, heck we did not have no locals with the Museum move, I was the closet one to Chattanooga, 60 miles one way, BUT we did it. Dave Lambert said: I am a member and I have started handing out applications for the museum in my classes. The museum needs all the help it can get and the cost is so reasonable. Jerry Riggs said: The following is a post made by Mr. Ken Cruse. Back on 10/16/02, I hope he does not mind me repeating it, but this is a REAL GOOD place to start making a difference. "The Professional Look"-Food for Thought We live in a fast paced world and sometimes I am not sure if I like it that way. We all have a choice; we can go along with the crowd or cut out and go our own way. At first, pierced ears were only on females. Then there was one earring on guys. Now some guys and gals look like they had a fishing tackle box blow up in their face. Again, that's a choice. Still when working with the public, as we do in this industry, we should be aware that some of this hardware could and should be left at home before you come to work. Dress code. Do we still have one? I am not sure anymore. It used to be that men removed their hats when they were inside a building. Now I see them in restruants, hotels and banks with them left on. This year I saw a person sitting at the head table at the Tow Show Banquet and Awards Night with his ball cap on. Why did no one there tell him that he should remove it? Are we getting so laid back that we choose not to ask people not to do things that offend us? I see people getting their well-deserved awards in daily working attire. Yes I know some may not own a suit, although this is rare in today's age. A shirt, tie and dress pants still go a long way. Your new football or baseball jersey doesn't belong at banquets and award dinners. We do know how to dress, but have we become so complacent that we don't care? I think we just need a check up from the neck up! It is not only individuals in the towing industry that don't dress well. Look at the bank managers and schoolteachers: these are the people that used to dress up to come to work. I am not saying we all do this. but if enough people dress down then it becomes the norm. We think it is ok when it is not. What sould you think if you went to see a lawyer and when you arrived for your appointment, he was at his desk wearing a t-shirt with a logo on it? We just assume lawyers know how to dress for business because that is what we are accustomed to seeing them in, and yes, we do think of them as professionals. We would all like to think of ourselves as professional, but do we conduct ourselves as such? Unfortunately, not all the time. We are quick to tell people that we are professional, that we could have done that job faster, better, and for less money than the other guy. Maybe when we stop telling people we are professional, we will become what we want to be. With all that said, we can do better. The world is watching and we are leaders in this great industry we call towing. So let's make a strong effort in this fight to do better business and dress for success. Ken Cruse Ken posted this in Oct of 2002 and it rang a bell in my head. Stop and think about it. McRae Towing said: Jerry, Another great post. Donating back time and resources to your industry and your community where you live not only feels good but that good feeling helps you get through the bad days in this business. At the worst, i personally handled 11 fatals in 9 months. Some were friends. Ken's article very good also. You never get a second chance to make a good first impression. Thanks for your in site. George. Trucker jeff said: Jerry 1st of all congrats on member of the year and, once again you whacked the nail right on the head.I'm as blue in the face as the shirt on my back from, trying to talk about safety,professionalism,cooperation-and last but not least courtesy with the other drivers as well as some owners in our area.but if something that I have said or done has helped someone out then it was worth it i might not know it did make difference for sure but at least I DID TRY TO DO SOMETHING and, thats is what is all about.I came from the old school and learned a whole lot from listing to the older instructors like Donnie(god bless the Cruise family) Ross Kinman,Steve (Ican't spell his last name)in California and last but not least Terry the wonder of the free state. And still learn things from my boss everyday he might not think that all the time but I do.Remember you can make a difference.see ya Jeff FTI Groups said: If we all accept jerry's challenge and find a way to make a difference (even a small difference) this year, it will make the industry stronger. Thanks Jerry. -Jeffrey Godwin FredsTowingNJ said: I've noticed with our state towing association a lack of attendance at the meetings.Fred Koch,Jr. Wreckmaster#99805 Traa Ct#8216 Fred's Towing South River,NJ kc7lub said: Why is it that a majority of state Towing Associations are geared toward owners/managers? Everywhere I look just about every Association asks about ownership or if your a manager. Heres my challenge to all Towing Associations open your ranks to the employees that are working in the business. As a Driver and employee I have a stake in the success of the business. I apologize if this is not the right forum but I think the drivers and employees can help make a difference. Brian TZ said: Brian, I agree drivers should be allowed to join the associations as dues paying associate members. But, even I can't work out the level of involvement since drivers do not share the same level of risk as the owners. There must be some common ground, as an associate member you may not be able to attend all the owner meetings but then the drivers could hold their own. Why, well we need to get back to something that was lost many years ago. Treat one another as brothers and sisters as other industries do. You want to raise the bar show the public that were united. We've gotten away from waving at our competitors when they pass to doing things to annoy one another. Starting from the ground floor and using the associations this negative attitude could be changed. The towers who care about the industry must become involved in the associations in order to promote it. Some level of regulations are coming some are already here, we can only hope that the states see the mess local authorities are making and become involved as MA has done. I hate to see regulations but the industries inability to police itself seems to be a leading cause. Strong Associations, Lead to a Strong Industry. Join your State Association Today! Trucker jeff said: TZ you are on to something there big time Jerry Riggs said: OK, the way I see this drivers have just as much at stake as a owner. (ALMOST). Drivers buys homes, cars, got kids, Drivers can get hurt just as much or more than a owner. Maybe the drivers could sign up at say 50% of the normal Owners dues amount. They could have a say and a vote on the safety releated issues. They could have a say on equipment issues also. After all who does the most work Drivers. The owners has all the money on the line, but with out our drivers we could not be owners. Just be a 1 man show. OK, guys time to poop or get off. Change is happening in Tennessee as of right now. New folks will be taking over leadership of the Association in the next 60 days or less. Training is already being talked about we already have the equipment lined up, and the local trainers to do instruct lined up. We are working with other Associations about show dates so we don't mess with each other. We as a association are going into the NEW Tennessee Association with the intent of putting PWOF to shame (sorry Joe), it may not happen but you HAVE to try. Lets go fellas, change the face of the Towing Industry MAKE A DIFFERENCE Whats the matter afraid to step up and make a difference. Dont act like little whipped pups, get out and do something. annonymoose said: Ok,my turn . I'm getting tired of this stuff . Why is it Jerry that has to get ya off yer butt's ? He is so involved with things I dont think he has time to eat sometimes . For you who dont know ,Jerry is just a skinny OLD hillbilly from da state of Tennessee ,but he might just be the smartest one on this board ,or got him an ouija board . He see's beyond all the bullshi*,and politics involved in associations,museums,and 411 type boards . Let this OLD hillbilly be your role model ,GET INVOLVED .Here ,in your state,and with your heritige in the museum.I am ,wazz da matter with you ? What da hell is your excuse ? From da only Moose in da museum DA MOOSE
  10. THE ART OF DISPATCHING A TOPIC ORIGINALLY CREATED IN NOVEMBER OF 2005: In this section of the Advisor we will examine dispatching as what it is… an art form. From the level of focus required to the finesse of the intricate dance known as dispatch we will cover this critical component of every towing operation. This article is the first in a series which will appear in every edition of the Advisor. Dispatching is tough. It requires total concentration, a superb memory, good problem solving skills, common sense and an ability to handle numerous tasks that all need completion immediately. It is no job for a wimp. A good dispatcher needs two types of abilities. I will classify them as technical abilities and artistic abilities. The technical abilities involve, among other things, knowing the correct key strokes to make in order to view drivers, assign calls, and read and send messages. It includes the ability to learn and remember the streets and landmarks of the area in which the dispatcher works. These abilities can be taught, with time, through repetition. These abilities are not contingent upon the times of day, the volume of calls, the specific customer, or anything else. In order for a dispatcher to assign a call, he will need to strike particular keys or make specific mouse clicks in a certain order to achieve success. If a dispatcher is deficient in a technical ability, it is usually apparent, and further instruction can be suggested or demanded. Because technical abilities are learned, a dispatcher who is willing to ask questions, experiment, and do whatever it takes to be successful, can normally overcome deficiencies in this area. For this reason, I will focus on the other facet of dispatching – artistic abilities. The artistic abilities are more problematic for most dispatchers because many of the traits within this area are inherent. A person is usually born with the ability to handle many tasks at once, or not. A person is usually born with the ability to work puzzles, or not. An argument could be made that dispatchers are not made they are born. A dispatcher can be likened to a painter. A dispatcher can be compared to with a chess champion. A dispatcher can be equated with a football quarterback. All of there comparisons are legitimate, but inadequate. Why? Because a dispatcher not only has to be the painter, he has to create the picture with no input on the colors of the paint. Because a dispatcher not only has to win the chess match, he has to play several games at once, with only limited control over the movement of his pieces. Because a dispatcher has to march his team down the field to score a touchdown, as well as kick the extra point, provide the strategy, call the plays, and motivate all those with whom he competes. A dispatcher has a mind-boggling job that few are able to perform well. It is with this realization that we explore the formula for success as a dispatcher. The list of ingredients is endless. Therefore, we will focus on a few of the more significant aspects of The Art of Dispatching. CONTROL Control the things over which you have control. Realize the variables that are within your ability to control and work hard to maintain control over those things. Leave the uncontrollable issues alone. Here are a few items that are within the dispatchers’ control: • A driver who does not provide accurate statuses. • A driver who repeatedly shows up 10 minutes past his scheduled start time, inflicting the dispatcher with 10 minutes of daily agony. • A driver who never answers on the radio when called. • A driver who is rude. • A driver who habitually breaks company policy. • A driver who struggles with routing. • His or her own temper. • His or her own level of performance. • His or her own commitment to excellence. • His or her own attitude. • The configuration of his or her own workspace. • Customer expectations. Here are a few items that are outside the dispatchers’ control: • The weather. • The volume of business each day. • The attitudes of fellow employees. • Traffic conditions. • The boss’ attitude. • Customer expectations. Yes, customer expectations secure a place in both lists. Many times, a customer calls with an unbelievable request for a job. Instead of feeling aggravated or inconvenienced, it is the job of the dispatcher to do everything possible, in a safe, legal and honest manner, to accommodate the customer’s needs. The dispatcher must be able to communicate and negotiate with the customer so that the customer is satisfied with the performance and integrity of the company. Each time the customer has a positive experience, the expectations of the customer are changed. If a dispatcher fails in his job due to habitual, inaccurate statuses by a driver, the failure is due only in part to the driver. The dispatcher must assume blame because he has failed to correct the problem. Corrective actions open to the dispatcher to correct many driver problems include training, motivation, confrontation or reporting of the problem to the driver’s supervisor. This is not to say that a dispatcher is responsible for every inaccurate status or late arrival on a call. However, the dispatcher is the only person with the ability to connect all aspects of a successful job – call entry, call assignment and arrival to the call in a timely manner. That is why a dispatchers' job is not just call assignment. Dispatch is the command center of the company. It is the place where hundreds of decisions are made each day that determine the success or failure of a towing company. Because it is the command center, it demands that the dispatcher be in control. Make a list of 25 things that you confront each day that are within your control. Your list will include some of the items detailed above, as well as many others that are unique to each dispatcher. Do not allow these things to pass without comment, instruction, or commitment when they arise during your shift. Dispatch demands that the dispatcher maintain control. -Jeffrey Godwin DennisMHDT said: Good to see us dispatchers finally getting some credit in this industry. Brooklyn, We Go Hard. acuranut said: i have gotten alot out of these articles. helps keep things in the front of my mind that normally make their way toward the back. thanks to towpartners for providing them. Greg PGhrist said: Dispatchers are VERY overlooked, usually our dispatchers are mentioned when something has wrong on call. I usually never see them being praised? "Don't ask me... I'm just the driver!"
  11. Tow411 Topic Originally Created by firemedic in December of 2007: I pretty much understand how to figure your costs and what it costs you to run your truck. How do you translate that into an hourly price. I haven't been able to understand that. doingitall said: What I did was keep track of my times per call port to port, and figured out what my retail hook and mileage rates figured out to per hour (it varied per call of course but not by a huge margin). Since I was happy with what I was getting for my retail rates, I translated that into an average hourly rate for local calls, rounded to the nearest $5 mark, and that is my hourly rate. Works out in my case to a little less that my usual hook and mileage rates, but most customers like it better because it is easier to understand, I like is because it's easier to bill! I still charge extra for special equipment, anything that is accident related is more per hour (sharp stuff, glass, etc.), winching is extra, and the rate is higher after hours. It was pretty easy for me as I am a one man show (mostly), so I did not have to take into account the variation in drivers efficiency, or try to collect the information from several sources (drivers). Overall I am very happy with switching over to mostly hourly rates, has worked well for me! Andy - A+ Towing ncoast said: I use what it cost me for the previous 12 months, total paid out, plus what my truck payment was (its paid now) plus a little. Then I add what I want for wage and profit. I look at this every month. I divide this, by what I consider a reasonable number of billable hours in a year. 4 hours a day, 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year. Due to the reality's of pricing in most areas, mine included I can't always charge this. But in some cases, like winching, equipment moves or anything out of the ordinary I charge at about 20% higher. I also try and charge after hours at time and a half based on this rate. I'm also a one man show, and my hook and mileage works out about the same. Sometimes more sometimes less. I have found that knowing this hourly number and dollar amount per. day keeps me motivated to charge enough. Its also helps to know this so you can pick and choice MC calls. Even with a decent contract alot of MC calls won't come close. Wade200 said: If you know your costs it should be simple. Just get an average of how many hours you work each week and divide it out. I have mine figured as if each truck ran 50 hours per week they would need $XX per hour to pay all costs or $XX to pay all costs and make a profit. Once you get an average it's pretty easy to adjust things to figure it more accurately. FLCOWBOYINIRAQ said: we tried that by the hour stuff on regular tows but we were losing money. the only time i tell the customer there will be an hourly rate added to the tow is if they want to send me to orlando on friday night or when ever i get stuck in traffic for a long period of time. all recoveries are by the hour port to port that includes if i have to clean my truck or any equipment port to port till my truck is ready to run the next call. when i do have to charge by the hour on a tow i normally just charge what the hook up is. john fenshw - lakeland fl - tikrit iraq ncoast said: Remember even if your truck is paid for, it still needs to be figured in. And some added to go towards replacement cost. And I use 4 hours a day not because that's what the truck runs, but because it also needs to earn enough to cover time spent on paper work, truck maintenance, cleaning and everything else that goes along with a business. My main customers are Monday - Friday 7:30 am to about 6 pm I don't do police towing or very much MC work. So as a result I do very little after hours or weekend work. I don't keep track of time spent on calls every time, but I have in the past, if I use that to figure my hourly, it comes out lower than by using hook and mileage. And even thou I do use hook and mileage a lot, having an hourly rate works better on some calls. Say I run 50 miles down the interstate to bring a car back, 2 hours and I'm done. But what if I have to run 50 miles and its on back roads, I could spend 4 hours on the same distance. Lets hear some more ideas doingitall said: That is exactly why I like to do most of my retail hourly - if the weather is bad and slow driving, I still am covered, customer gives bad info and tow/recovery/locating customer takes twice as long, covered, need to include equipment cleanup, covered. I just quote and bill hourly - 1 hour minimum, then 1/2 hour intervals from there. Andy - A+ Towing Wade200 said: In my opinion, the only real down side to hourly rates is inconsistent billing for customers. Today it may take 1 hour to complete the job and tomorrow (with traffic or weather) it may take 4 hours for the same job. I have found that our good shops don't like variable rates like that and some have quit using us due to rates that vary more than a few dollars for comparable tows. You can't please 100% all the time, so whatever works for you is what really matters. anaron said: Daniel, I understand what you are saying but you can bet the shops do exactly that on their repair work. They will give you a bid for a valve job but if they find a crack in the head, it's going to cost more! Not their fault, not your fault - called extenuating circumstances. Everything I do is calculated by the hour but I never quote a job as $xxx per hour. Too open ended and you will lose most of the jobs. I have done this for so long, I pretty much know within a few dollars what the total will be for most everything I do so I give a total "estimate". How much will this cost? "Sir, Based on what you have told me, it's a simple hookup and tow, etc. - should run about $XXX if we do not run into any problems." You have given them an estimated price and left the door open for any unforseen problems. Sometimes they want an explanation of what problems might be encountered, most the time they don't even ask. Should I run into any problems that would significantly increase the cost the customer is immediately advised and given the option of declining my service. I have never had anyone decline the service after I arrived on scene and explained that this job was going to cost $xx more because of whatever. Weather issues should not be a problem because you should be quoting rates based on the weather conditions anyway. Most traffic issues should not be a problem as most the time we know what the traffic situation is at any given time and should quote accordingly even going so far as to suggest a better rate at a better time. You might be surprised to see that most customers understand that a 3 mile tow in a blowing blizzard is going to cost them considerably more than the same tow on a nice sunny day. Jerrys Road Service said: All tows should be charged hourly port to port.yes Daniel your right abought consistency but i tell them theres lots of trafic NOW if you wait till say 7pm it will be cheaper your call Jerry's Towing -Santa Clarita ,Ca - 661-857-6828 ncoast said: his post has gone from how to figure an hourly rate to should you charge hourly, still a good post. Hourly is for out of the ordinary stuff, not run of the mill hook and book tows. When I quote a price or write a bill its total only, I never break it down. But do use hook and mileage alot. When people hear xx + x per. mile they freak and think the worst. I did a tow last year where the customer followed me to the drop, while unloading he said I called xxx and man hes hi, he wanted xx + x to do this. I laughed and said well this was only x miles he woulda been cheaper. He ended up tipping me anyway. Isn't WFG an approved pricing method Towman26 said: Daniel, I to understand your concern on the differences in prices but what about the guy that has several trucks towed from one location to another & you do it with different trucks & drivers, I bet if you did 10 trucks you might get 5 or 6 with same milage but i know that Dustins truck odomiter is on the mark, but the others we are constantly having those adjusted. Hell on my wifes Navigator when we go to her surgon in Tampa (which we do every other month for the last 6 yrs & sometimes more) but in my pickup & Dustins pickup the mileage is tow miles different, that could be from were you exactly pushed the button, but in her Navigator, going the same way same speeds, it is 32 miles further!! yes I said it is further & no Tampa didnt move. In town it is fine, right on the doy, but at highway speeds it starts adding miles, & the faster I go the more it adds, once when we had to rush over I satyed at about 110 & it was 44 milesmore. So back to what you were saying about being inconsistant there is problems on both ways Unless the call is at your front door, every call would be over one hr. I would love it if the companies on the FL east side would get into that type of pricing. That is what is going on the west side in tampa, sarasota area, but unfortunatly if 20companies all got together & said we would go to hourly, 2 or 3 would go behind the others back & try to snatch up the customers. I think it is the best way to make it simple for the customer, they know it takes xxx amount of time to get there xx amout to get back, drop & then back to your shop or even stop when you drop, it still is better. That way they dont have to get a long list of things, hook up, mileage, drive line, air, fsc. etc etc. it would be 2.5 @ xx = xxx that it! Like I had stated in another post when you have company's that will do rotations for as much as possible but then turn around & do accounts for as low as they have to to get the customer, like box trucks for $60 & 3 or even $60 flat rate in the county or $70 &3 for loaded t-t. When you have to deal with this its very hard to get change but i still have hope. lol Warren Driscoll --- 877-KW TOWS U FLCOWBOYINIRAQ said: put a bid together for a local allison shop. how i did it was he told me the furthest he went for trucks in all directions so i towed a few and kept track of the mileage. he really needed a flat rate so he could bid on jobs. so what i did was took the furthest point away added the miles then x by what we were getting a mile rr drive shaft plus air hook. now we towed them there broken down and towed them back to the customer when they were repaired. on the ones going back as long as he had another unit coming back for a repair i would tow the repaired one back for half. and i did not have to remove the shaft on the tow back to the customer. that hourly stuff is only good on heavy tows i actually tried that and wrote the bill both ways and hook and mileage was better, unless towing a crane or big motor home stuff like that. one thing is what do you do if you have an expirenced operator that can hook and tow very good and safe and then you have one thats not so good and you do the same tows diffrent days diffrent drivers and his bill is more then the others. we tried that with waste management and the bills were very incosistent. they had 5 bills from the landfill back to there shop and all 5 were diffrent. john fenshaw - lakeland fl In Memory of BROTHERSANDSONS who said: I've been following this for a little bit, because its one of my favorite subjects. I notice a lot of you saying that Hook up + mileage comes out higher than hourly........that bothers me.....what it says to me is your off on your hourly rate..If your charging, for instance....100 for the hook up and 5/mile( lets leave the shaft out of it and tow it from the rear) and your going 20 miles thats 200 dollars. easy hook and fly thats a 90 minute job to drop, half hour back to your yard... 200 @ 2 hrs .......thats 100 per hour??? Maybe a better cost analysis is in order ( even if you jump up to 150/6 its still only 135/hr) some costs are constant.some are dynamic..without going into to much detail a straight heavy with a quality driver is in the 220-240 range.depending on a few things. thats 440-480 for the same tow........much closer to reality of cost( at dollars/tow.dollars/day is another subject). Specialized units are more, of course.but costs are costs. as far as the inconsistencies of time and pricing ( traffic ,weather, stubborn drivelines, Texas bumpers etc etc) It ain't my fault or the customers.they are just a fact of life...I give a rate that reflects my costs , not based on what the market is doing.and YES it makes it tough when you have potatoes out there dropping their drawers just to get cash flow. If I had my way we would all have breakfast once a month and decide what the going rate was and everyone would have no choice but to pay it......then some previously mentioned potatoe would undercut us all and we would have to slay him....its something that can be addressed by some standards.....including standards for compensation......I can see it.but, I can't figure out how to make it work. In regards of how to figure it, I take my monthly costs and divide them by 121.6 ( 30.4 days in the avg month x 4 hrs per day ) and thats even a little low because of the day off factor of drivers.but its close for me. Thats just to pay the costs ( dollars per tow) profit comes into the game when you build up the tows per day to the point of stretching yourself thin and needing another truck..its a constant re evaluation process....fuel, insurance, drivers wages, etc etc............takes up a good amount of my time each month and how do you calculate that into the overhead???? lol....its worth it to be serious about it.it does show up where it counts.in the bank Towman26 said: Ya I cant see were hourly is less than hook & mileage. Weve done both & everytime hourly is more. I just did one today 40 miles $490. paid hourly. Like I have said I wish we would all go to it . Warren Driscoll --- 877-KW TOWS U anaron said: I agree with Jan, if your mileage/hookup rate total is more than your hourly rate total, some immediate attention needs to be paid to your hourly rates. Back in the early 80's, I charged $25 hookup and $0.75 per mile round trip and never gave it much thought until I gained a new customer, 8 mile round trip that took 1.14 hours to complete for $31 - opps! Got a problem here! That's when I began taking a good look at my rate calculations and found that over 30% of my tows were losing money because of the time differentiation - started calculating my rates on an hourly basis - problem solved.I calculate my rates on light, medium, heavy, jump starts, lockouts, everything is by the hour. Here's some figures from my data base for a 10 mile simple light duty tow from 5 different locations. These times are an average for each location and I do them on a weekly basis- .58, .66, .68, .72, .75 For simplicity, use $50 hookup and $2 mile round trip for a total of $70. You get $70 for .58 hours and you also get $70 for .75 hours. Now something's wrong with that picture! For simplicity, use $100 per hour - $58, $66, $68, $72, $75 - looks much better as I get paid for my time involved. The problem with hourly is that most companies have no idea how long it takes them to do a tow job. How long did it take? Oh, about 45 minutes when in reality it took 48 minutes. Geez, 3 minutes! That's really nit picking! Back when towing was $25 hookup and $0.75 mile, 3 minutes did not make a lot of difference but at the rates we should be charging today, it makes a huge difference especially over the entire year. Not charging for 3 minutes on each tow adds up to 1500 minutes or 25 hours for 500 tows. Calculate that with your rates! The hookup/mileage would work great as long as you could keep every call at .66 hours or less but we all know that's not going to happen. Now several have commented that hourly rates would be confusing to the customer and your right but so is hookup/mileage. Some companies charge $XX hookup and $X per mile loaded, some round trip, some 1/2 round trip and no telling how many other ways. We should never quote "$XXX per hour" or "$50 hookup and $2 per mile". Your miles and his might just be totally different - kinda like the motorclubs paying mileage based on THEIR charts! We should calculate what we believe the total to be because that is all the customer is concerned with, not how we calculate our rates. How much will this cost? "Sir, Based on what you have told me, it's a simple hookup and tow, etc. - should run about $XXX if we do not run into any problems." You have given them an estimated price but at the same left the door open for any unforseen problems. John brought up a good point - "we tried that with waste management and the bills were very incosistent. they had 5 bills from the landfill back to there shop and all 5 were diffrent." I firmly believe that this is a problem but it's our problem and not the customer. In my entire career, this has never been a problem for any of my customers. I tow for an electric coop from all their branchs to their repair shop and no two bills from the same branch office has the same total. I have a dirt company that I haul their trucks from their pit to the same repair shop, bills are never the same. No two tow jobs will be identical in time even if locations and mileage are identical. If you are trying to get you invoices to show the same dollars on each tow, you either have to base your rates on the highest invoice which is not fair to the customer, on the lowest invoice which is not fair to you or work out an average and hope you do not get too many tows that end up above the average! firemedic said: Appreciate all the info. A few questions: 1. When you do port to port as I assume most do, do you just figure the time to drive to them if you are not at office and to drive back from point of drop off? How do you figure that? 60 miles would take an hour? How do you calculate for traffic, weather, etc? 2. I am assuming that once I figure what my hourly rate should be, how do you figure out the difference from light, medium, heavy? I normally adjust my hookup based on weight and difficulty of hooking up. On medium and heavy I understand where hourly would be better, i.e. that driveshaft that just won't come out when you normally say $XX dollars for driveshaft removal. Light duty by the hour would be ok, it's just confusing I guess. I heard of someone giving a class at one time about figuring costs and charges, wish I could go. I don't want to undercut myself, I want to make that dirty word "profit". LOL!! I also don't want to rip anyone off, so that is why I ask, please excuse my ignorance if I seem like "I just don't get it". anaron said: Glenn asked: When you do port to port as I assume most do, do you just figure the time to drive to them if you are not at office and to drive back from point of drop off? Yes How do you figure that? My calculations are easy as the info in my data base consists of all the towing jobs (recovery and accidents are not included) done over the last 15 years showing total mileage, total time, pickup location and drop off location for each job. When I first started, I took the last year of hookup/mileage total revenues and divided that by the total time for the year. Now this will only work if your hookup/mileage rates were calculated on actual costs and profits. It creates a good starting point that can be fine tuned as you go. 60 miles would take an hour? This is a good way to estimate your travel times but 60 miles in an hour is almost impossible on local towing. I do not do long distance towing anymore but back when I did, it pretty much averaged 47 miles in an hour. My 15 year data base for local towing shows that I average 31 miles for each hour. Your average may be different depending on the factors of your area. How do you calculate for traffic, weather, etc? Fortunately traffic is not much of an issue in my area. Based on experience, I generally know if I should add x amount of time due to heavy rain, traveling thru construction zones or whatever. I am assuming that once I figure what my hourly rate should be, how do you figure out the difference from light, medium, heavy? Your hourly rate will need to be calculated on each light, medium & heavy. You cannot use one to calculate the other as each is in a world all of its own. Gerry Sienk said: First question i ask is what did it cost you by the hour to run your light, medium and heavy call? You need to know your cost to calculate a price. I have used an hour meter for service on my trucks, which was recorded monthly. Using the yearly total per truck, and dividing the cost to run the truck for the year, including labor or in case of owner driving the salary I would want per hour, into hour to find out what it cost me to run it last year. Because regardless of whether it was idling to warm up in yard, or on a call, that is what it cost to run the truck per hour even if I was not getting paid, the money had to come from my business to pay that cost! That hourly cost is what you needed regardless of whether you were getting paid that amount. And yes there are some "if, ands and buts" to this figure. As far as how you bid calls, you should have a basic knowledge of how long calls take, on most jobs you can either give a price that will "fly" with the customer and you still make a profit, leaving you open for getting more, or less, it is just of matter of how you communicate with them. But If you know your cost, you know if you made money or not.
  12. This unit was sold in 2011, anyone know where it is today? Details when listed in January of 2011 1988 KENWORTH T-600 & Century 5030 T-35, 322in Wheel Base W/ 48in Sleeper. Twin 150 Gallon Fuel Tanks To The Front, 3406 B Cat, 425 HP, 15sp On Air Ride, 30 Ton Wrecker With DP 35K Planetary Winches, Excellent Lift And Tow Capacity. AZ RUST FREE DPS & CHP Inspected, Fully Equip. Ready To Rock And Roll Az Stereo, New Strobe Bar, Back Up Camera. at that time Odometer Reading was 417,601 Kentows said: That truck was put together right (double framed) built by Marvin @ Oklahoma wrecker sales it won the tow show in Texas in 1998 I still have the trophy. @TowTruckMark @kentows
  13. Topic Originally created by kyd9055 on Tow411 in Aug. of 2007: First time I've got to tow a mixer so I thought I'd go ahead and post it. Only a little left in the drum, nothing special to it just haven't posted in awhile and thought this was somewhat worthy. Kim02 said: Nice job. I usually tow those from the bumper. Use medium forks inward of frame where the braces tie into the pull plate. A heavy rubber square with 2 tabs cut each end lays inside the fork to keep from scratching bumper. Gives more clearance & you aren't lifting as much weight. Wade200 said: Nice job. The U-bolt forks work great on those as well. Wreckmstr said: I tow em from the back...if you can get to it. MTA415 said: tow 'em any way I can get 'em. You got enough machine for it, looks good to boot.... take a little pressure off your 3rd, will give you a little more steer if you need it. Working at the company you are at you'll be great in no time.
  14. Topic Originally Created i=by hpgtow on Tow411 in Aug. of 2007: Customer called said they had one of there packers stuck in Port Newark and one of the rear tandems were coming off... He advised it was about half loaded... My brother was already in the Port with a tractor so he stopped and gave me hand.... The rear axle was pretty far in so we decided to chain tow... We chained the hooper closed well and tightened the screw clamps that hold the hooper closed... Went to the rear axle with 5/8 grade 100 chains and cross chained it.... Released the brakes.. Pushed the tandems back in..Locked the brakes and put a safety strap to hold the tandems in... hey Al... The truck looks even better close up... Stay well. Steve Ed Barker said: Good job Steve,,,looks like it handled it very well,,,,,I like that yellow on your new paint job ,,,it sure stands tall. Mr Waialae Chevron said: Steve, When you tow it like that, do the chains want to crush the hopper? Thanks Barney hpgtowing said: Thanks, Barney.. No it really don't leave chain marks... We have done them both ways..Cross chained and straight ... We have a large supply of old light duty tow sling straps from years ago.... We place them between the chains and the body... They work great.. they also use to work good on bumpers... There was a good amount of gear oil on the inside of the wheels and the top of the body... it looks to have been leaking for awhile ... Thanks.. Stay well.... Steve FMS Mike said: I am always amazed at that wrecker!! I love that truck, such a brute..nothing it can't do. HPG Can Do ALL!! Michael Jerrys Road Service said: nice lift there.ive forked from rear frame on those but was a little struggle to keep sterrs down some times lol Jerry's Towing Santa Clarita ,Ca hpgtowing said: I had thought about forking it from the chassis.. But I am not crazy about having to lift something with this weight on tall forks and risers... The hump from hooper forces you to have the T-Bar very low and the forks very high... I just never liked that.... Thanks... Steve DMHANSON said: HEY STEVE did you sell a wrecker to a guy in oklahoma????? there is a shop here in my town with about the same truck set up just wondering. hpgtowing said: Daryl.. If it is a Paystar like mine with the big 1400 X 24 rubber in the front and it has a 45 ton challenger on it? Then it's Kongs sister which I have been looking for? It should be the same truck as mine... No front outriggers.. and no front winch.. It should have a trebron under reach on it.... If it is the truck? I would greatly appreciate the owner name and number.... Thanks... Stay well.. Steve Byron Coleman said: Nice work and to anyone that may try this in the future always check the bolts that hold the packer to the chassis.They are often loose and worn at the rear. In Memory of DNDTOWINGCOM who said: Hey Steve, another good idea with the sling straps. I always used old aluminum truck frame sections about 4' long that had been cut in half long ways to make an angle. Place it between the towed unit and your chains. Disperses the load and the chains won't slide because they bite into the aluminum so the towed unit will not move from side to side. Dann Vegas Heavy Haul Inc. dba. Big Valley Towing Las Vegas, NV. DMHANSON said: YEAH ITS THAT TRUCK ALRIGHT IT SAYS KONG ON IT 45 TON CHALLENGER YELLOW IN COLOR NOW,SAME TRUCK!!! hpgtowing said: Daryl... This is how it looked when George Logan owned it.... I guess the boom is still yellow.... This truck was identical to mine expect it had a Trebron Under Reach.. It had no front out riggers, No front winch, No drag winch and no Trebron Winching spade..... Thanks... Steve unknown member said: Kong is a beast. My only suggestion to what is already a masterpiece of towing equipment? ADD A LITTLE BIT OF RED PAINT TO THOSE WHEELS !! All white is too stark looking on that beast. LOL. To each his own. Good luck in reuniting with Kong's sibling. Leroyhedrick said: steve ,those trucks of yours are truly awesome!!!! the biger the better in most cases keep up the good work Leroy II, Maysville, WV wm# 99405 DMHANSON said: YES ITS THE SAME TRUCK FOR SURE,good luck getting him to sell. daryl. hpgtowing said: Daryl.. I called him right after I spoke to you... He didn't even have time to think about it before he said not for sale! I can't blame him... I would appreciate it if you could get a few pictures of it..... I'd like to see it? Thanks for your help just the same.... Steve FMS Mike said: Isn't 411 Great, Kong now knows where her sister is!!! Steve have u exhausted all efforts to bring her back to Jersey? Michael
  15. Topic Originally created on Tow411 by trekkmstrin Aug. of 2007:
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