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  1. 6-3-14 Received a call from MA State Police to respond immediately to the area of Rte. 140S between exits 8 & 7 for a serious commercial motor vehicle accident involving a loaded tractor trailer combination unit that wound up in the thickly-wooded area off the right shoulder of the roadway. Apparently, the unit lost control heading north on Rte. 140, travelled across both northbound lanes, ventured into the center grassy median, hurdled over the steel guide wire cable separating the two sides of the highway, travelled across both southbound lanes, and finally came to rest in the thickly-wooded area off the shoulder of the highway after taking down dozens of trees. The loaded tractor trailer’s momentum came to an abrupt halt when the unit finally struck a large cluster of trees and became jackknifed around this cluster, with large stumps protruding directly underneath the diesel fuel tank as well as wedged between the tractor tandems. Since the unit initially was headed northbound, it was now facing the opposite way of the flow of traffic off the southbound lane and therefore needed to be removed without causing an environmental catastrophe, as well as being turned around so that it could be facing the correct direction of travel at the end of the recovery process. Given the severity of the accident at hand, both of our heavy duty rotating style crane recovery units were dispatched to the scene, as well as our HAZMAT Response Truck, in addition to our mini excavator. Once on scene, our crews began using chainsaws to begin to cut a path to reveal the actual location of the tractor and to gain access to view if there had in fact been an environmental spill already created which needed to be tended to. As crew members used the chainsaws to cut down numerous trees, our mini excavator was used to remove the cut down trees and dig up the stumps left behind. This was a tedious process which consisted of knocking down dozens of trees that crew members could not reach with the chainsaw and placing the cut limbs into piles throughout the affected area. Once access was gained to the location of the tractor, it was deemed that there were several critical stumps that needed to be removed prior to the recovery process commencing. There was a large stump wedged between the frame rails and the front tractor tandem as well as between the tractor tandems, themselves. With the use of our mini excavator, we were able to dig underneath the frame of the tractor to create enough of a gap where the bucket and thumb could remove the stump. This same process was performed on the stump located between the tandems as well. After the passenger’s side was free of any visible stumps our mini excavator then continued to create a path onto the driver’s side of the tractor. On the driver’s side, there was a large stump located behind the rear trailer tandems which was dug up and removed in the same manner the previous ones were. However, the most crucial stump was located directly underneath the diesel fuel tank. Miraculously, during the initial impact the fuel tank was only badly damaged and was not compromised. However, removing the stump out from underneath the nearly full diesel fuel tank was far too risky. With that in mind, our crews decided to pump the diesel fuel into DOT approved HAZMAT drums prior to removing the stump to ensure that no environmental spill was created. With the use of our air-powered hole saw drill, a small hole was drilled into the top of the fuel tank. This was done because there was a steel screen underneath the location of the fuel cap which prevented our siphoning hose from entering the tank. After the hole was drilled, the fuel transfer process began. Seeing as the fuel tank was nearly full, it took the use of nearly (3) drums to completely drain the tank. After the tank was pumped dry, the barrels were strapped and moved off to the side of the work area with the use of our mini excavator until the unit was removed. The large stump was then removed out from underneath the fuel tank which was the last one to be removed. Several large tree branches were draped over the top of the trailer and these also were cut and removed prior to the removal of the unit from the thickly-wooded area. Now that all of the stumps and surrounding debris was removed and placed into piles around the casualty, the actual recovery of the unit could begin. Both of our cranes were setup in the breakdown lane, one towards the rear and one towards the front. The crane in the rear would be used to lift and rotate the trailer, bringing it closer to the roadway; while the crane in the front would be used to bring the entire unit up the steep bank and finally up onto the roadway. Heavy duty rigging straps were installed to the rear tandems of the trailer and the rear crane slowly brought the trailer around until it was in line with the tractor. A heavy duty rigging chain was then installed to the rear of the trailer and the crane then lifted the entire rear of the trailer up off the ground and rotated it over a few more feet so that it could be in position to be brought back up onto the roadway. While the rear of the trailer was lifted off of the ground, our mini excavator was used to dig out debris that was between the trailer tandems that would cause friction during removal. The tractor was still wrapped around the cluster of trees it impacted at the outset of the accident so our rear crane was used to winch the entire unit backwards to untangle the tractor from the cluster of trees. When the tractor was far away enough from the trees, heavy duty rigging chains were then installed to the front of the tractor so that the final process of bringing the entire unit back onto the roadway could be completed. Prior to moving the tractor, all of the brakes were caged so that it would minimize the resistance of the winching process up the steep bank. After the brakes were caged, our crane operator then began bringing the entire unit back towards the roadway. This process was done incrementally because as the tractor was brought away from the initial point of impact, more stumps and debris were noticed so as they became visible the winching process would cease and our mini excavator would remove them to create a clear path. Air was supplied to the trailer after both the tractor and trailer were on an even footing to allow for all of the wheels to spin freely during its final climb up the bank. Once the tractor was at the edge of the roadway, our rigging was adjusted so that our crane could lift the tractor straight up and place it into the undereach to prepare it to be towed, seeing as the front axle was completely ripped out from underneath the tractor. The front bumper bracket was cut off with the use of our torches as it posed a problem during the towing process. After the entire unit was prepared to be towed from the scene, it was then transported to our Freetown storage facility where our crews assisted MA State Police DOT with the complete DOT inspection of both the tractor and trailer. Later that afternoon, our site remediation crews returned to the scene in order to continue with the removal and disposal of all of the cut limbs, stumps, and other debris created from the accident earlier that morning. Our roll-off truck brought two dumpsters to the scene in order to fill with debris. Crew members began cutting the trees previously cut into smaller pieces so that they could fit into the dumpsters. Our mini excavator was used to grab all of the piles of debris and place them into the dumpsters. This process was time consuming due to the size of the affected area from this accident which consisted of large amounts of stumps, trees, branches, and miscellaneous vehicle parts. The two dumpsters were filled with debris and transported off the scene and disposed of. However, the site was not fully cleaned but by this time it was nearing rush hour traffic time and MA State Police did not want the cleanup operations to continue into that time. Therefore, our crew returned the next afternoon to complete the entire site restoration. This included cutting and removing another dumpster full of debris. After this final dumpster load of debris was removed from the scene, the entire affected area was free of all debris, raked clean, and returned to pre-accident condition. Another DCS / J B Hunt tractor (#349758) picked up the loaded refer trailer at our facility on 6-4-14 and transported it to its intended destination. Robert Anaya said: Damn! Very Nice Job! Very curious what this job Netted. I know prices can't be shared on the board. 1Towman said: Very nice job and job description. I would love to know the Job Net too. It would be nice to know If it is a non consensual job and if there state is regulated like Louisiana . What would really be nice would be to see what that job would pay from state to state. I do not own a Rotator and you really have to be a Philadelphia lawyer to interpret the Louisiana Public Service rules and regulations but from the way I see it A rotator in Louisiana Hourly recovery rate would be $370.50 + $210.50 = $581.00 I guess this is why Louisiana only has a hand full of rotators in the entire state I know Big Wheels has a lot of stuff going on but maybe he would consider figuring out a bill using our Louisiana Public Service Commission rates and regulations. it would be good to use in there billing class that I really do plan on going to someday. http://www.lpsc.louisiana.gov/_docs/_Orders/General Order R-33105 Attachment A Rates Effective 04-17-14.pdf LPSC says A rotator may be used only if ordered by the law enforcement agency in charge of the accident or incident scene and the rotator is necessary to safely and efficiently restore the flow of traffic to travel lanes. The use of a rotator is not justified to ensure that the recovered and towed vehicle will not suffer any additional damage, beyond what is reasonable and customary.A rotator is a specialized piece of equipment and shall be invoiced as such, in that the hourly charge fixed herein in Section II shall be billed in addition to the charges for the tow and recovery at the appropriate rate (light, medium or heavy). If a rotator is used, but is not authorized by the provisions of this paragraph, the rotator use cannot be invoiced and the tow and recovery shall be invoiced at the appropriate rate as previously stated BigWheelRecovery said: ITOWMAN I will gladly reveiw your States tow provision policy over the next few days an compare rates between both simular recovery jobs. Just a note H.D.recoveries in Mass are unregulated. Thanks BOB 1Towman said: Thanks Bob looking forward to see the comparison. we have decent rates but they sure screwed up the weights. I have been getting a lot of F250 and F350 that are like just a pound or two under 10,001 pounds. its like they added the one pound just to screw us and the difference because of 1 pound goes from Light duty $161.25 add one pound Med Duty $232.50 they also screwed the companies that have Rotators gtowman said: Great Job..whatever you charged it dont matter. They gotta pay, it takes a boat load of cash to send all that equipment out to a scene..with a 30 min. ETA. Jeff Hurley said: Great job and narrative as always. Very professional the ay a job should be done!
  2. Topic Originally Created on Tow411 in August of 2012: 7-22-12 Received a call from a Cruise Ship company that was docked in New Bedford Harbor to assist them in lifting a couple of propellers. Apparently the propellers were being refurbished and needed to be placed on the deck of the Cruise Ship to be replaced in Virginia when they arrived at their destination. We responded with our mini tracked crane and lifted the propellers one at a time onto the deck of the cruise ship. bandctowing said: Now that is different. I though you got a new truck when i read mini tator in the head line. Now lets see some good jobs !!! Paulie B&C TOWING bigberthastowing said: What a handy piece of equipment to have at your disposal. very nice! Vulcan UK said: i love that little crane, just proves bigger is not always better Niemans Towing said: that's would be very handy to have ILTowman said: not something you get to do everyday. Nice work Eric Kurt Wilson David V said: Any Idea what they weighed? Thanks, David V. WheelLiftWarrior said: not as much as one of those puppies cost david IWS Wendy said: Nice job! Thanks for sharing the photos with us. BigWheelRecovery said: They told me approx 650 lbs Blue Stripe said: What is the reach of that little crane, and what is the weight limit for lifting? Chris Flynn, WM 091008 Boardman Towing & Recovery BigWheelRecovery said: I think about 40 ft and I've picked about 1000 lbs all the way out thAnks Eric Rudy Smith said: Eric, who is the Manufacturer & what is the model of that crane. WAY COOL & very helpful piece of equipment ! JoeShoreline said: Big Wheel lifting a "BIG WHEEL" Sorry, I couldn't help myself. Cool piece of equipment. Never seen one of those before. SITTOW said: Your like Batman, you have all the cool toys. Good job as always. qball said: not to nit-pick, but i have run cranes for 20 years and have to point out, you should scope out to your maximum boom length needed before picking. i have yet to run a crane that likes to be scoped under load, and most expressly forbid it. that being said, what a sweet little rig. BigWheelRecovery said: What are you saying I checked it out had JUST enough reach I'm not sure what your saying. Thanks Eric David V said: Eric, I think what qball is saying is that you are not supposed to extended a crane boom while it is loaded, like you can with most tow trucks/wreckers. So, you should extend as far as needed to pick up the load, and then swing and set down the load without extending out any farther. Basically, replace "scope/scoped" with "extend/extended" in his sentence. David V. Acestowing said: I believe that is what he was getting at. I was also told this by a crane operator a couple years ago also. David V said: And probably, "scope" is derived from "telescope", but not the one you look through. David V
  3. 5-30-07 Day 1 Received a call from the owners of Capeway Express. That one of their loaded 53' refer trailers just came loose from their tractor and was hard down on the street, completely blocking the roadway. This call came into us while we were bringing a truck in that we had just pulled out of the cranberry bog in Carver and the scene was only down the street from the shop, so we were able to respond quickly. I notified Eric of the situation and it was just rolling up to the intersection , he could see that the road was blocked to his right. He dropped the unit that he was towing at our shop then Eric and Jordan went down and did the recovery of the refer trailer. They also discovered that the landing gear went through the fuel tank and had dumped the entire contents onto the edge of the roadway. The police arrived and notified the environmental company and DEP to respond to the scene. Frank Corp. Environmental requested us to assist them in this cleanup job. After the trailer was rigged and lifted, the company put one of their tractors under the trailer and continued on to deliver their load of frozen food. After the trailer was emptied, they brought the trailer to our storage facility, waiting for the arrival of the insurance adjusters. 5-31-07 Day 2 Early the next morning, Frank Corp. Environmental called us and stated that they had numerous large jobs going on and they would like to use our people with our equipment to assist their specialists in the fuel cleanup. They requested the use of our small excavator and front end loader, as well as our bobcat with operators. We sent Eric and David to work with Frank Corp. Environmental and the personel from DEP to cleanup the accident scene. DEP requested that they dig up the entire side of the road, as they dug they kept on testing the soil until they reached clean soil. The second day cleanup took approx. 7 hours. Wreckmster said: Nice Job.. I figured you guys would have some foundry hooks. They make easy work of lifting trailers. MTA415 said: Good job Big Wheel, you guys got it all!! Wade200 said: Nice job! That looks looks like a bunch of work just for a little diesel, lol. I have ripped a trailer hooking like that before (on a heavy loaded trailer). I know that's pretty much all there is to hook to and if it's not real heavy it doesn't matter. I like the foundry hook idea, even though I don't even have any...yet. Daniel Wade BigWheelRecovery said: See the guy in the white hard hat he is testing the soil as we go along with a computer in the back of his car we just dig what they tell us thanks eric.; Wade200 said: I know how the enviro-guys are. And I know they are well paid, at least around here they are. I have seen them dig and patch parts of the interstate before because of just a small amount of diesel. Daniel Wade Jerrys Road Service said: Great rigging good work i love the way you do the 50 ton hook up lol Jerry's Towing Santa Clarita ,Ca Waffco Joe said: Nice recovery + clean up Robert.But,I'lle to admit I'm glad we go nowhere near that kinda of clean up.Give me another load transfer back at the warehouse(lol).Thx for sharing.....Joe BigWheelRecovery said: Joe good though but,the clean up pays 6 times the recovery, that means I would have to do 6 trailer lifts to equal one clean up assist. Just another part of the business that that a lot of recovery companys don't go after. thanks again always nice hearing from you Joe, stay safe, BOB ASAPAutomotive said: It's scary to think that around here the FD more than likely would have thrown some oil dry on it, or had the PD bring a few trustees with shovels out to dig up a little sand and toss on it. It's nice to see it done right. Another well orchestrated job by Big Wheel... as always.
  4. 5-26-07 Received a call from a local dairy that one of their refer trailers loaded with milk, the leg had broken through the asphalt and it was settling worse by the minute. They asked if we could respond immediately before the trailer goes completely over. It was Memorial Day, Eric and Dave responded with the 60 ton Century and rigged the trailer, lifted it, and then set one of the company's tractors underneath it in minutes. The owners of the company was quite releaved and everyone went on to enjoy the rest of the holiday. visit our new website bigwheeltowingandrecovery.com MTA415 said: Like taking candy from a baby... Jerrys Road Service said: Easy $$$$$$ Jerry's Towing Santa Clarita ,Ca 661-857-6828 Reliable Towing said: Painted boards to match the trucks, again raising the bar. Your operator looks pretty calm working under pressure. Way to go KenM said: Leg break through?? Look like the leg collapsed, not any failure of the pavement. What really happened? S/F...Ken M Mr. Waialae Chevron said: Da Wash Boss said: glad to see you done a job for that company. they are normally very cheap and they use a cut rate tow company now. they were using a first class company but they went with a cut rate one. i hope you banged them good!!!!! Danny Cassello - TRPC "EST 1963" - East Hartford, CT Nate940 said: just wondering if you think your truck would have held if the trailer would have started to roll before your lines were tight. BigWheelRecovery said: Well good question Nate but your wire is always loose before it's tight,an it would take more time to block it than hook it.Also the call from the lady in the office was the trailer sank in the lot an that it was ready to roll over Hurry, hurry, that became our call narrative but it went well in a few minutes the unit was secure. thanks again BOB drewmel said: Danny I am not sure what u mean by cut rate but you have my number, gimme a call I'd like to know who I pissed off and why? -Andy Da Wash Boss said: Hello Andrew,,,, I am not ticked off at anyone. I know who was towing for those people before and for many years and then another tow company I am not sure who they came in super super dirt cheap. So I consider that a cut rate tow company. Do you know who that company is I am not sure. Danny Cassello - TRPC - East Hartford, CT BigWheelRecovery said: After looking at this job i should have picked both side for safety but like i said before i don't know it all still learning but like i said i look at the pictures after the job a see how i can improve next time because i know you guys will let me know were to improve that is why this web site is very helpful.. THANKS AGAIN ERIC drewmel said: Danny we have been towing for Guida's for awhile now(2 yrs) I dunno it goes by too fast. We are right down the street lees than 5 miles. And I know our rates and I would definitely not consider them cute rate by anymeans. I've been with Mike for 5 yrs and wouldn't go anywhere else. Claytons Towing said: Hi, We have had a fair few trailers in the same situation you had there. We usually back under the front of the trailer with our turn table adaptor on the under lift and pick the front of the trailer up on the pin. Find it quick and safe and can tow the whole unit to a repairer if required. The rotator looks great and does a great job but I sometimes feel if customers see us using cranes to do jobs like that they will may look at trying to save money and hire a crane company to do the same if it happens again. There is cranes everywhere around here, but by using the cradle with adapter it shows a specialist piece of equipment. Don't get me wrong, you have done a great recovery, I just think you always got to show that your using equipment that every corner crane company doesn't have. Please don't anyone take this as me picking on your equipment or how you do jobs, as I'm not, just a personal opinion I have. Cheers Mike BigWheelRecovery said: Mike were talking about 2 different things,first the yard where the out of town trailer landing gear let go is one of our reg. customers,the trailer was going to Conneticut to deliver so they were't unloading ,they could continue to there location then fix the trailer at home,so all we needer to do is a quick lift so there tractor could hook up.We us our 5th wheel att. when we are going to take the trailer but that wasn't the case today, an around here crane co. get 2000 tho. just to set up,also were are you getting a crane on a major holiday, all you'll get is a answering mac.Eric was on seen in 20 min an 10 min. later he was closing up,Every body was happy an the whole thing turned out to be just a minor bump in the road for the milk hauler,also any tow guy can beat a crane guy to a job site any day of the week,time was very very important on this one.hope that helped BOB Ed Barker said: No way would a crane show up fast,,,it was a hurry,,,hurry,,,call and you shot out the door,,,,from what I have seen normally you can't get quick service like that from a crane company,my opinion is the wrecker is much faster to be on scene. Da Wash Boss said: Bob, you said it well about crane companies. It would take almost an hour around this area for a call back and thats during normal business hours!!!!! Then they have to send someone out to look at job who knows how long that will be then they have to figure out if they even want to do the job, again I can only speak for this area perhaps other areas crane companies respond much faster. Big Wheel did a fine job on that recovery. Danny Cassello - TRPC - East Hartford, CT BigWheelRecovery said: Thanks Dan, thats the way things go in the real world, BOB WreckerPhil said: good job big wheel! but normally the call you get is....." the trailer is leaning over abit, the landing legs are ok and it isnt heaverly loaded" and you turn up to find the oppesite! keep up the good photos. Claytons Towing said: Hi Guys, Didnt cop the daggers like I thought I would for my comment .lol Must be different here, we are the only heavy towing company in the area but there is six major crane companys who between them would have over 90 cranes from frannas to 100 tonners so you still keep getting people even police thinking whenever something happens you have to call a crane. Luckily people seeing mega tow in use has slowly brought more work away from the crane idea, so i guess it makes me a bit anti crane for accident and recovery work. We have 5 heavys and respond quick as well, and I do agree when it comes weekends and nights the crane companies all aren't so keen to be found...Cheers Mike
  5. 8-11-06 Received a call from Mass State Police to respond to the ramp from Rte. 24S to 140S for a loaded box truck that rolled over and was damaged. They also stated that the truck was leaking fuel. We responded with two 60 ton rotators, one 35 ton wrecker, our hazmat rapid response trailer equipped with speedy dry and HD fuel transfer pump and four 60 gallon hazardous waste steel drums, and our 2005 Volvo HD Front-End Loader with quick disconnect attachments used in different phases of the recovery and as well as off loading when required. Upon our arrival, we discovered that it was a new Freightliner 24' refer truck. In our initial assessment we discovered that the refer box wall was cut in 1/2 on its entire length. We also discovered that the box was loaded with double stacked pallets of boxes of frozen hamburgers, hot dogs, and sausages. We also observed that the load had broke the roof away from the side wall that was down. Food and drug stated that if we opened the box doors then the entire load would be put in the dumpster. We figured alot of cows and pigs would have died for nothing. Our plan was to air bag the truck in an attempt to save the expensive load of meat products. We set up our air bags knowing it would be a tedious job on this particular truck where the box was sliced and there was a lot of weight resting on the damaged wall and the roof was seperated. Little by little propping up the wall as the lift proceeded. We also cross strapped the refer box during the lift using the two rotators. The cross strapping helped support the load during the recovery. After the refer was set back on its wheels, we transported the truck to our Freetown shop for further health dept. inspection of the contents. visit our new website bigwheeltowingandrecovery.com Genotowpro said: Good job!! Hope your guys get to have a cook out and enjoy some of those burgers. Blkwill said: Save of the week. Nice Job Will Cain -Chesapeake Service - 410-287-2666 Towman26: Nice job. good thing that didnt happen here. That loader would have been used to push it off the road. the air bags aren't used here anymore. but its still good to see that your still able to do a great air bag job & have a water cooler too. Warren Driscoll --- 877-KW TOWS U Unknown Member Asked: KW you cant use air bags in Florida? Whats up with that? Towman26 said: not on the Turnpike & soon not on I95 they have a OPEN ROADS POLICY that they want the roads open in 90 minutes. Which is if you had to use air bags you wouldn't have time to set them up, & wreckers then roll it & clear the road. they would take the loader & push it off the road without caring if it broke or not, or just use 3 or 4 rotators & heavys. It is on the Turnpike right now & if the company that is called which is NOT on a rotation list clears the road in 90 min. they get a bonus from the TP Athority. The list of equipment you have to have to be on the open roads is huge. If you bought everything NEW your into about 1.3 mill. I am sure i am a little bias cause the way its going the copmanies that are on rotation are not going to be able to do rollovers on the highway & the 4 in 1 company that was formed here will be getting it all. You don't even have the Owners Request option if the unit is any part over the white line. If it is off the road that's ok But you cannot shut any part of the road down. Since the TP went to this system we have only lost 4 calls & were able to do 8, of those 4 were over the line but we got there before the other company & were able to get it off the white line and/or roll it. But this is the way things are going here & coming soon to a state near you. So while you can do your great recovery's, get pics, cause soon you won't be doing them Unless you have alot of $$ to by alot of useless equipment. BEWARE. Warren Driscoll --- 877-KW TOWS U Unknown Member said: I was talking with a guy at the show from I believe "Mross Towing" I believe it was. He was saying about this policy and that he teamed up with a couple of other companys to cover a wide area. I guess when you start buying multiple rotators and 988 Cat loaders it can get exspensive. In our area it seems to be the complete opposite. Guys can have a problem charging addiquitly for rotators by the hour so alot of them bring extra equipment to get the bill where they want it. I explained to the State Police that if you had a loaded container blocking the road and would bring three heavys to do it for lets say $6,000 in two hours, it is worth the same money to do it with a Rotator in a hour and open the road sooner. This is an issue I'm trying to resolve befor I spend $450K!! wstowing11 said: so would we say wasted effort because the roof is now open, any difference? Not knocking the recovery effort, but it was a major effort alot of work went into this one for the assumption you will bill the customer for the effort , but in the end their load is going to the dumpsters, when it could have been offloaded initially, put into dumpsters, then uprighted with one truck . With an obovious cost difference. I am all for getting what we deserve, but the customer doesn't see it our way, especially when they lose their product after a tower starts a recovery .Only assuming the food and drug stuck to their statement , after the apparent breach of the cargo box. Second thing is , could you have relocated this unit into the grass area, worked the recovery there and kept that ramp lane open ? We have been asked to do this before down our way, and it usually works out and keeps the motoring public happy. I would have to disagree with the opinion that on an average air cushion recovery it would take more then 90 minutes to set them up and recover the unit to its wheels, and remove it from the highway . If you start getting timed when you arrive on scene, that gives you ample time to accomplish an air cushion recovery , as long as there is no problems, but in most cases that can be determined during the walk around. I have had them go longer I will not say I haven't . But in these cases we were bagging up some serious wrecks. BigWheelRecovery said: that truck was on its wheels in 40 min you cant beat the bags if you dont know how to use them sh a me on the tow guys dont practace in public with out doing it in private we practice all the time any time you want to time unloading buy hand and then baggen it want to be there you have to really have to train your men to use the bags we saved the load it was worth 40;000 so the recovery is free you still have to clean it up if you would have dragged this truck it would have came a part the job was done very fast and safe /// Timstruckservice said: That's a Nice looking recovery & Great use of the equipment taken to the scene ( Including the water cooler ) LOL !! From the Pictures, it looked like it needed the mudflap's between the cushion's & the Box. Great Job Guy's ! Ed Barker said: I personally don't agree with that quick clear like in Florida,,,or at least don't agree with what I know about it,I think the high rollers are trying to put the boot to the smaller companies,,,,which if all companies have the proper equipment I believe they are all entitled to a piece of the pie,,,,I don't agree with companies not having enough equipment ,to get the big jobs,but if you have enough equipment and the proper knowledge then all should be square,,,as far as spending 1.3 million on equipment ,that seems fair enough to me,now days it doesn't take much to get there,,but you know as well as I do that a lot of areas will not be able to support these policicies,,but all jobs should be charged accordingly to compinsate for these policies,,It all comes back to the big guy picking on the little guy,,,,just my opinion,,,,,,,I'm sorry Big Wheel I kind of got side tracked but I think you handled it well and those are some nice trucks. Mike Scheidt said: The Florida open roads policy is not a state policy it is a national policy signed by press bush and is a direct impact of 9-11 from homeland security. it is not intended to remove the small guy from the business, but to clear these wrecks up faster. If you have to go out and buy all the equipment yes it would cost you about 1.5 mil but if you already are in the HD recovery side not the HDtowing and there is a difference then your investment is very small and yes it requires a rotator and a second truck 50ton or better now i know all of you myself included will say it does'nt need a rotator but with out a doubt a rotator is a time saver and that is what we are talking about. if you take a rollover and you save ten min then you average it out over a year by say 25 wrecks that's 250 man hours overtime ect not paid it does add up plus traffic secondary crashes. if anyone would like to really know how it works you can call me. mike scheidt 561 248 4035 BigWheelRecovery said: dont get mad at the people wow spent millions on equiment we started with nothing just like everyone else we worked 24/7 /365 but we knew it was coming you have to clear the roads fast and safe buy pushing tt units with a loaders is not the answer we can upright them very fast and safe we would help any tow company around here but as long as they call us before they destroy the truck and make a huge mess visit our new website bigwheeltowingandrecovery.com Scott to answer your question my crew knows not to hang out we work full speed but careful on every job,besides no job stresses me out but let some one goof off , well it ain t pretty even worst let some one light up a smoke the words just run all together.if you know what I mean.just a pet peeve. Or let me see a ramp going or comming from a call with his overhead light show going, not good. thanks BOB visit our new website bigwheeltowingandrecovery.com PhxPksDave said: So...Who does the Qualifying? State Patrol? Hwy Commision? And what happens when that Landoll that is part of your required Equiptment is loaded with 30 Minute eta to being clear? And 30 Miles away?? I`ve always found it amazing when Govt comes with new Procedures/Rules before asking the one`s who do the work for Comments. BigWheelRecovery said: Dave I cant tell you what other areas do but for perishable foods, Food an drug is called in at least in Mass. Then its there call but I can tell you every time you open the trailer or box doors on a roll over the load goes to the dump. Could be worth 10,000 or 300,000 they dont care.We bag them all keeping the doors close saveing the product. When the insurance company starts crying about the recovery bill we show them the real numbers and that the recovery was acually free,and that they acutally made money doing the job our way.O by the way they still cry. thanks BOB visit our new website bigwheeltowingandrecovery.com wstowing11 said: You said it took 40 minutes to recover unit. Does that include being dispatched, setting rotators up in recovery positions, setting up bags , right up to the point the unit was cleared from the roadway ? Or was there more time involved in this ? BigWheelRecovery said: Wayne the recovery time was when we started unloading our air bags an pulling wire rope,our time of arrival to the seen from being dispatched was 22 minutes with traffic.The 40 minutes is when the truck was back on it s wheels. Thanks BOB visit our new website bigwheeltowingandrecovery.com wstowing11 said: That is a great recovery time, do you have a minimum hourly charge , cause you are getting them done too quick ! BigWheelRecovery said: Wayne we have a 4 hr. min. on heavy recoverys,with the training an equipment we have available even the heavist casuality are on there wheels in short notice,an the main thing the road is open. thanks BOB visit our new website bigwheeltowingandrecovery.com JohnMarsee said: Is this per truck, air cusion rig and Loader plus port to port? I think you guy's do a great job! Love your equipment! Now as far as having a quick law! Well that's great but at the same time how many can relate to having that much man power and equipment on I-75 in Ky or Tn were we live? Being more rual roads than city and with maybe 10 TT wrecks a year through out rual ways. Major Cities I understand but even at that Lexington just got a rotater less than a year ago, and I must say he's a Fine person too! Knoxville well I'am 45 miles away and I haven't heard of one yet. London has one if he hasn't sold it yet . BigWheelRecovery said: John very good point oviously you live in a nice country area less people ,less stress an a little more time to smell the roses, your better off John. thanks BOB visit our new website bigwheeltowingandrecovery.com TAZBOY said: A couple of issues--First to Ed Barker, this whole thing started in Washington with the I-95 Corridor, it has nothing to do with the "BIG" guys squashing anybody. There have been extensive studies done---IT IS NOT GOING AWAY!!! We were in a meeting this past Monday and Tuesday with the TimeTask Force--there where guys from all over the country here, Arizona, Virginia--it's a big deal. Secondly, to Eds towing, We struggled with the same issue, "How do we justify 20 minutes with a 65 ton rotator what took two 30 tons and 2 hours"--you just have to have set rates--set up fee and hourly usage with a minimum, if you don't you'll never get your investment back. Take good pics and write a good invoice, you have to be a salesman. Now as far a Big Wheel goes, if you look @ there scenes you would think it's over kill, they're just trying to run up a bill, they're not! If you take they time to research OSHA rules or if you just call Bob /Eric or even better attend a RBU class then they would enlighten you as to the laws you are not following!! TowZone said: Certainly attitudes have changed since this post originated in 2006. Back then there were many saying they would never be effected by laws and regulations other either had or saw coming. Now many are dealing with them or can see them looming. Rotators are the norm now and the acceptance is similar to when hydraulic units were competing with Mechanical units.The industry will always evolve and adapt, even if it does so kicking and screaming. Learning to invoice properly and professionally is both the key and the challenge. JoeShorline said: Warren, Once again is seems like big money and politics are traveling together hand in hand (or should I say hand in pocket) to knock the little guy out of the game.B.S. at it's finest!
  6. 5-30-07 Received a call from the owners of a very large cranberry bog in Carver to respond to the same area we were last week for another truck mishap close to the same spot as the last one. They stated that it was a 100yd walking floor trailer loaded with compost weighing in at around 97,000 lbs. The trailer was down into the cranberry bog leaning very hard. They also stated that they felt that the trailer was about ready to go over and there was some concerns about oil that would get into the bog and ruin it. Knowing the weight we had to deal with, we sent 2 rotators, the NRC and the Century. We sent Adam and Eric out there to handle the job. Eric had to rig the trailer real fast where as we felt it was going to go over at any minute. Quite often people call and say "my trailers about to go over", but when we arrive on scene, doing this as many times in the past, we realize that it wasn't as bad as they describe it, this particular trailer was absolutely ready to go over at any given time. The wheels of the tractor were off the ground, front and rear, the rear tandems on the left side of the trailer were burried into the cranberry bog. Eric and Adam rigged it, lifted the weight with the 60 ton Centruy and used the NRC to hold the trailer from rolling, and also provided pull while stabilizing the tt-unit an lowering it back on to the dike. After the recovery, the trailer was emptied and then the entire unit was towed back to our Freetown location. kw5030 said: Nicely done guys. Just a question though..On most of your jobs when they look drivable, like this one, why do you always take them back to the yard? Most of my jobs, they pay the bill and go. Or i tow them to a repair shop. Was there something wrong with this one? I know trucking co. dont want to pay extra for storage and 2nd tows. They want there truck back on the road ASAP!! BigWheelRecovery said: This is a recovery job, not a tow job. Whenever we work our rotators, they all go out on a 4 hour minimum. We know that most people dont carry that kind of cash on them and the only way we release a vehicle is with cash or certified funds. So all recovery-type vehicles are brought to the shop for the office to do proper billing. Most recovery jobs end up as insurance claims, the adjusters come to our shop, go over the vehicle, and we get paid in full from the insurance co.before the vehicle is released or towed to a salvage yard. One of the other factors is we felt that this truck was not safe to go down the road, and we didnt want the liability nor the responsibilty of the 5th wheel jaws breaking away because they had a lot of strain from the twisting put on them, If the trailed broke away somebody would be suing us because we released the vehicle, so the next day the owners of the T T came to the shop, paid us with a bank check, brought in another tractor to haul the trailer to there shop to check it out for any 5th wheel damage or broken crossmembers. When you recover a vehicle you have a automatic mechanic's lean an you don't have to release the unit until your paid, we have established rates per hour for each peice of equipment,we don't deviate from those rates an everyone pays the same,we take pictures of every recovery job ,an attach copies of the naritive plus a copy of the certified check, they are keep on file, this is important because if you ever have to take a insurance co. to court or someone else you can prove that your charges are consistance,we won every court case an only had to chace money a few times ,do your home work an don' t let any insurance company intimadate you,just make sure again your consistant. Also get paid before you release any vehicle,you weaken you lose. thanks again BOB TOwBoY88 said: Is it getting by with it ro just truely charging for the specialized services one provides...? I always said this and Eric told me it too; I can never tell you when my next call is coming, but I can always tells you when my next payment is due. Too many tow companies like being the "nice" guy who charges the insurance co. $45 and that is why they never will have any $$$ Ed Barker said: Is that 4 hours per truck minimum ????or is it 2 hours per truck minimum times your two rotators???????You ask "Whats it worth?????",,,,I get a two hour minimum on our rotator at $500 an hour,,,they say you aten't supposed to discuss pricing but I truly will never understand the reason behind that,,,,especially on a TOW forum ,,,,we are here to help educate each other about this industry and pricing is of a major importance.As far as our pricing we just figured what we thought it took to be profitable ,,yet reasonable. Thanks,Ed Da Wash Boss said: QUOTE One of the other factors is we felt that this truck was not safe to go down the road, and we didnt want the liability nor the responsibilty of the 5th wheel jaws breaking away because they had a lot of strain from the twisting put on them, Bob, one i want to say you guys do outstanding work one of the best. I was just curious if you were concerned about the jaws on the 5th wheel then why not dispatch one of your tractors to pull the trailer back to your shop? In your other post I read how you use same pricing for everyone and keep everything on file and ready. That is the best way I like your system. Its a tough business to begin with and going to court is no fun. Danny Cassello TRPC "EST 1963" Towaholic said: "What its worth" was the statement this to me says there bases are covered and thats what they get paid period.for any body to call this job just a winch out is ridiculous. and maybe thats why they under value there services. i see tons of repeat customers not just police work. but nevertheless i belive they are a specialized recovery team. and they build on that with addition of recovery equipment. maybe they dont want every tow job. thats there choice. trying to teach us something? I think so......... BigWheelRecovery said: Thank you towaholic lamb as far as you saying you have a 2 hour min thats great but we dont opperate on 2 hour min are all our jobs are usually recovery jobs . and i dont use 3 rotaters for just winch outs i think we do a very good job at what we do and i never said i knew it all but i can tell you we have done our share of jobs and i,m not in any way showing off im just posting and hoping to learn somthing in return i sorry you feel the way you do but what can we say you are intitled to your opion . but it looks like you are the reason that alot of good companys don,t post here anymore people told me you wont post for long on that web site because people will nock your jobs . but i told them you can nock us all you want ,. THANKS ERIC . BigWheelRecovery said: Well Lambs towing I think we hit a nerve,if I upset you I'm very sorry, I'm not that smart an I've made lots of mistakes in my life. But we keep trying. Every night I watch Fox news, O'REAiLY factor and I realize that there are a lot of people in this world that don't like another person or groups because of how they think or worship. So I respect your opinion but I'll do my best to answer some of your questions. I know you felt that this was a 2 hr job, but you might not of taken in consideration we had almost 1 hr. each way travel time. I do hope you charge from the time the call comes in till your back at the shop ,If I may I would like to address your winch out comment, if you attempted to winch that truck out then you would defiantly would have a recovery job because 97000 lbs would be on it's side ,an a major environmental clean up that you would have been responsible for the cost plus the damage to the tractor an trailer where as it had no damage until you tried to winch it. So bottom line doing the job your way with out being there an seeing the job could have cost you the Farm,thank GOD we got the call. As far as moving the unit together we locked the trailer brakes an worked the truck back an forth seamed good so we took the back roads to the shop nice an easy,the other reason for the concerns about the jaws is the company was heading to there shop in Maine 200 highway miles away,not a shot run through the woods, An I guess you have a problem with our rates, that's OK but every member of our recovery team is wreckmaster 6/7 an even worst than that they have me training them ,I watch them like a hawk by watching my post you should see we try to pay attention ,bottom line my crew consist of highly trained specialist receiving top pays plus a full benefits package including profit sharing.just about no one ever leaves, we have some employees with us 25years .When we tow we charge for a tow probably the same as you but when a specialize job comes about we charge for specialized people an equipment,just like the walkin but you need a surgeon different rate? sure.As far as you saying that we haven't posted a job that required more than one wrecker than you are definitely a better recovery person that I am.I also don't post all our regular tows we all got the car an small truck thing down pat I hope ,so no need to bore the viewers,as most of the tow411 family knows that we try to answer all the questions asked I hope than I answered some of yours ,please next time your having a bad day an you need to vent click on someone elses site,or just call my cell it's on all the time,now can't we all be friends thanks BOB ED our rate is for 4 hrs min each peice on every recovery job.Rotaters are very expensive as you know ,if you work for less in my opion your not covering your expences.The rate must be ok because the customers don't complain an the insurance pays us right away. thanks again BOB LAMB Towing said: Bob & Eric- Sorry for blindsiding you in a public forum. It is unprofessional of me to attack someone when they aren't right on the spot to defend themselves. I read and enjoy all of your posts. I see things in your posts from time to time that I feel compelled to comment on, both good and bad. I usually try to back off on the negative stuff because it's not my intention to be the tow411 Troll that never has anything positive to say about you and your guys. If you'll look back through some of your other posts, I've been just as quick to praise you and your guys. The only reason this particular job struck a nerve is because I've done three identical jobs in the last two days. I got what I felt was a fair price on all three, and all three of them were billed out at 2 hours each. This would've never come up if I hadn't been talking to another fellow member of this site from Alabama the other day about HD rates, and he used you as an example of what "could be". I can't say that you're wrong for charging that much, but we can't get by with it here. It would be great for us for a while, but word travels fast. I'm 29 years old, I've got 10 years in the business behind me and many, many more ahead of me. I look at my business as more of a Marathon than a Sprint. You've been going 25 years strong, so you're doing something right. I'm coming to Boston next month, I'll try to stop by and chat in person if you promise not to shoot me! Again, sorry for the blind attack. Towaholic said: I am glad this didn't get out of hand, that's a definition of professionalism in itself. LAMB I like your comment of what "could be" sometimes we don't see the whole picture we only see the job. knowing how there employees are taking care of says so much more of this company to me. and one more reason to charge what its worth. LAMB I am 27 with 12 years in the industry the last 5 have been as a owner. I started with one truck and now we have 7. what i have realized in the last 5 years is how dedicated we as tow truck guys are. I think that's were a lot of the fierce competition comes from We Love the job so much we do what ever to be out there doing it and not always watching the bottom line. sounds like we are a little in the same boat when it comes to areas not supporting really profitable rates. you cant do it over night or by yourself but if we all work together we "could be" someday. Joeniel said: This is really what Tow411 is all about... some may take shots at someone else once in a while, but in the end all turns out well and shows the professionalism of all the different companies in the industry.. we all come out of it, even the ones like myself who just read over the post, with valuable information that we can all learn from. Everyone is entitled to their own word and their own opinion, just as long as it doesn't get out of hand and turn in to real hatred. We all have our own ideas about the way things should work, and that is good... we all just have to be willing to accept others ideas too... Nice job Big Wheel! That spot is a good one eh? BigWheelRecovery said: Billy thanks for reconsidering ,did you blind side us ? oh yah.I remember when we started out new in this business we were like most running around for chicken feed saying today's a good day did 15 tows, only thing working cheap we lost 15 bucks per tow common in this industry, an the worst thing is a lot of tow operators can't see it, step out of the box for a second , work the numbers,don't have to tell me how much you disagree with how we do this just be glade that someone is trying to make a stand for all of us. When we worked for nothing we had more trouble getting paid we just decided to run it at a real professional level,starting off with getting professional training for every crew member,certification,hydrophilic licenses for loader an equipment operators,this will help cover you if you run into some litigation,an most of all make the investment into good modern equipment, If you don't know what a job is really worth don't ask someone to think like you just maybe they did the homework I look at a lot of tow truck drivers that show up here to retrieve tows from the day before ,my god no shirt stupid cigarette dangling from his lips,an he has his overhead lights going,give me a break when we wonder why we can't get paid what we really should,Most of the tow company's hire people with out doing background checks, this guy could be a level 3 sex offender but he's hired because he can drive a truck,how would you like this bum showing up giving your wife an daughter atow home, then leave with your keys to drop your car at the shop,think, he knows where you live, your house keys probably still on the key chain, think he'll pass a hardware store or will he stop in an get some keys, A lot of us are still living in the past when gas was 30 cents a gal.well this is the new world it's 3 bucks plus an your still at 1965 prices,an yes the customer will pay for professional service good people an good equipment command proper rates,you go to your doctor he does a little operation bag, 30gran insurance covers it,whats he got a stupid thing he looks in your ear,or another dumb looking thing that he hits your knee with,we show up with a 500,000 dollar wrecker an 20 to 30years of training an your worried about charging what it's really worth.crap,don't prostitute your bussines,this country is built on equal rights stand your ground the insurance co.knows what they pay the big dogs an what that proper equipment an properly trained personal accually saved them,look at it that way.O well just a little different view point it just agravates me to see how many people like working in one of the most dangerest occupation around an flont it that that they work for crap, an knock some others that invested in the right tools an the right personal .again just my veiw point. Think, also a lot of you I'm sure won;t agree, others might say maybe he's got something there,it's ok to voice your objections to me ,it doesn't bother us at all an I will look at your opinions seriously. sorry for the long story be proud of who you are an the company that employs you ,your work day will definitely improve BOB Ed Barker said: I feel we all have to know what we must charge and if you can get your price then my hats off to you,,,, but it does make a big difference I believe in what part of the country you live in,,,, we do a lot of the same type of jobs that you showed in this post around our area,,,, but on pricing a job like this it will usually run between $800 and $1200 to lift a unit back up and out like this one,,,, probably not enough for the job but sometimes they pay right up and thank you while some companies will just climb the wall over a $1200 invoice in this area,,,, maybe its from cut throat companies that charge a really low rate????? I'm not sure but like I say around here it just wouldn't hold water at $5,000 to $6,000 on a job like this,,, I mean no offense of any kind,,, just telling you that we can't make it work around here with a 4 hour minimum like yours,,,, although I wish it did work like that here!!!!!$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Take care,Ed You fellers got a very nice operation and I know you do a fine job,,,but any suggestions on how we could sweeten our local areas with heavier rates like yours?????,,also what is your honest opinion on why our rates in this state compared to your rates in your state are so much different?????,,,, I am all EARS Thanks,Ed BigWheelRecovery said: ED sorry it's your turn,I personally look forward to all your post, you absolutly do a great job,but if you think I can't, then you can't it all has to do with thinking possitive .A key part of this industry is to become a good sales man,you have to learn how to sell, your self,your training ,an your proper equipment,people are not stupid they know you have built your bus. a little higher than the average tow co.I look at all the wrecks you do, man if I lived in your area I'd have a ton more hotrods.That being said ,look at it this way you work 24hrs7days a week 365 a year,always out there when the weather is the worst,fling to a call at 2am then 3.15 after working 19hrs strait, an back in the shop at 6.30 for another19hrs.I think the hours make us all guffey, we buy ramp trucks for 85gran no one in there right would do this,you charge 35 for a local car tow an the people call you a bandit they;ll go to the Ford garage to change there air cleaner an pay 1 hr. min at 90 dollars an 18 bucks for the element an not complain,you stick a man in a 85,000 dollar truck,drive 17 miles round trip burn fuel an your a crook. O well lets all revaluate what were worth. thanks BOB wessex1 said: Bob, If it's of any significance we also charge our rotator out for 4 hours minimum charge as do most other company's over here in the UK. Keep up the good work, Paul LAMB Towing said: Our main obstacle in Oklahoma is the Department of Public Safety. They rule us with an iron fist. They were "gracious" enough to give us a raise on our non-consent (law enforcement) tows a few years back. Our heavy duty rates, which are published by the state and open to public view, were bumped up from $140.18/hr. to $180.00/hr. I feel that I am worth a little more than that, and all of my regular customers pay me another $95/hour. Most towers here, including some of our state association officers, feel that $125/hr. is sufficient to run their business and that's what they work for every day. This is mostly because of a very popular heavy duty tower, known and revered by people all over, who was active in our state and national associations. He created some of our biggest hurdles. He would advocate training and pay increases, then come to my town and many other towns and tow for peanuts with his add-on and homemade equipment. Nobody on an official level has ever sat down with us and tried to figure out what it costs us to operate, and that no two businesses are the same. They have just always gone by what this man thought was a fair price, and that's what we're stuck with. Our state association is finally becoming pretty strong here, so I see bright things in our future. But I have pushed for a rate increase on our heavies for the last two years, just to have it fall on deaf ears. Light-duty issues take precedent at legislation time (vehicle dumping the last two years, but still no success there). We've currently got four rotators in the entire state of Oklahoma. Two of them are actively pursuing crane work in the oilfield (one of those two uses theirs as their primary tow unit), one is actually used for recovery by a very large company in Tulsa, and I don't know much about the fourth but I hear that they just recently hired a very capable operator and things were looking up for them. The heavy-duty market is a funny thing here. Almost everyone in the towing business also has, at very least, a 750 Holmes to get them on the heavy-duty log. They can't work a wreck without outside help, but by golly they got a wrecker license and a spot on the log. They are allowed by law to charge the same rates for a $3,000 mechanical wrecker as we charge for new $200,000 to $500,000 hydraulic wreckers. As far as making money, they have the upper hand because if they take three times as long to clear a wreck, they make three times as much money. The truck dealerships each have deals worked out with an exclusive tower. This exclusive tower is dispatched anywhere and everywhere to do their tows. The exclusive tower gets his normal fee for towing on all first tows, regardless of their location. Then, this exclusive tower agrees to pick up all tow-backs for FREE! What good is that if every third or fourth tow is a freebie? Now you see why it is impossible for me to comprehend four digits times four hours. Last edited by LAMB Towing on 02 Jun 2007 18:46, edited 1 time in total. BigWheelRecovery said: Well Billy, thanks for the very nice detail reply but No ,is not in my vocabulary,if I'm told that I can;t do something you better have a good safty reason,or were going to give it hell, First of all this is the United States of America we have a constitution, an we have guaranteed freedoms,under the constitution, no government or law enforcement official can tell you what to charge for your services,if it's owner request.That's a legal business deal between to company's.no place for Government involvement here.That's business interference you can sue for that,An I'd take them all to court don't wary about the cost they have a rope around your neck now how much has that cost ,end it ,you have to make a stand our you'll be dealing with this the rest of your years an your kids in the business will also,so hire a good constitution lawyer an depose them all, an bring everyone into court ,an let them tell a Federal Court that you can't charge your rate to your customer. In Massachusetts heavy duty recovery's are not regulated only regulation are police order tows on cars an trucks an if the vehicle has com. plates an is off the road then the tow companys recovery rate kicks in .I can explain what rights you have but not on this forum, call me when you get a chance, BOB Wrecker Mikey said: Big Wheels, You guys got one hell of a first class operation keep up the good work and keep the great pictures coming KySteve1 said: I don't know why an operator would get on top of and under the low side of a trailer that heavy when it may or may not roll. Seems very dangerous. I do think it was a one truck job, when you have great trucks like that. Why not move to the outer edges of the trailer and set it over. I think the rate you used is right in line but I don't think the tow was needed. Once you have unhooked and gotten paid you are not responsible for that vehicle UNLESS they also paid you to check it out. I think you did a really good job but I also think it could have been less work and a bit safer. I am not knocking you I just want to state an opinion. Please don't be offended. BigWheelRecovery said: Kysteve yes that's a knock, but it's ok, I don't think you actually believe the driver had that cash on her, an the customer was from Maine so your telling me that I should send them the bill? How long have you been in business not counting next week.The driver after she ditched the truck ran from the seen across the bog trail an into the woods an didn't return until we were hooking the wrecker to the unit,crying like a baby an said she wanted the truck that the boss would pay us, that's a bunch of bull #####. If your naive an you let recovery's leave with out cash or certified finds sell your stuff now! before the bank does it for you,there seems to be trusting mind set in this industry that your going to get paid from people you don't even know for jobs that are already completed, Thanks again BOB LAMB Towing said: Well, I'm sorry you guys took such a beating on this job. I think you did fine, just took me a little bit to see it. You take the abuse pretty well, though. Look on the bright side, you got one of them flashy little hot topic dealies next to the post! KySteve1 said: Well oK then. First my actual point wasn't getting paid even though it became the center of the conversation. I looked up through the topic the only time I see you mentioned the driver running from the scene was now. This changes why you would tow it. BUT you said in the earlier part of this when you answered someone else s question was you towed it for safety and then mentioned you took them in to get paid. Now you said you hooked the first wrecker to it before you started climbing on it, I hope that you would know that if those lines hooked at the ICC bumper were enough to hold it upright then they would have been enough to go ahead and lift it out. That really made little sense. If those lines had come from outside the lower side of the trailer then it would have given stability. As they were they would not. I told you I wasn't knocking you, and I wasn't but I have been in this when 750s were still the top of the line so thank you but a lesson in economics is hardly needed. You finally addressed the point I was making in your second post. I think I have covered that too. As I said, I really didn't post this to step on your toes but if I did something that you believed was wrong I would want you to tell me. EVEN if I didn't like it all that much. You may save my life. I came back to this forum by request and was told people were open to learning. I can't help it if I truely believe this is a one truck job. AND one more time I DON'T INTEND TO OFFEND YOU. You wouldn't own trucks like those if you were an idiot so that in itself says you are experienced. Everyone needs HEALTY critizing. It is in the learning curve. I believe there is no one man who can out do me with a wrecker. I don't believe this because I am vain I believe it because I have proved it to myself by being damage free and alive. I choose to believe it to make it so. If I sound self centered and cocky, good. I want to be the best at everything I do. By believing it I can make it so.I hope this makes sense to you and helps you see past how my post sounds into HOW IT IS REALLY MEANT. It is meant to point out a POSSIBLE flaw in this job. KEYWORD BEING POSSIBLE. Do you know what I mean? I really am the guy who gives the shirt from their back, I swear. Ask anyone who knows me. Hope this finds you safe and prosperous. Steve Strong, Suburban Towing, Louisville Ky hpgtowing said: In defence? I have myself done recoveries that could have been done with one truck.. But for the sake of a safety cushion? I used a second truck... With fully loaded trucks in dangerous situations? I'll use the second truck... I feel we have nothing to prove to anyone but to get the recovery done in a safe, damage free manor... We all get our recoveries when we wish we had a second truck and for what ever reason there isn't one. It's on those recoveries we will use all our skills to complete the job safely.... I would have used the second truck also.... There are plenty of times I have to work my equipment hard... But why should I if I really don't need to... Steve... Yes I agree it could have been done with one truck... And yes even with a 750... If it came down to it.... But then set up would take twice the time at the least and when all was said and done? The cost difference would be small if not the same.... I to will not release a unit with out payment. However? I will except payment on scene via Com Check, T-Check, or Most authorizable fuel type check..( I have NEVER had one of these go bad) Credit Card, Cash or by Verified billing to another Towing Agency I am familiar with. And only after we have spoken with that Towing Company and verified the charge. This is just my thoughts on the matter... Thanks for listening... I think everyone has brought up some good points here on this post.... Just my thoughts.... Stay well all and be safe.... Steve BigWheelRecovery said: Well Steve, I really appreciate your comments,an objections don't bother me maybe Eric ,but I actually enjoy them,the good thing it gets everybody thinking running cenarioes though there minds, what if it was my call how could I do it with my 750? The answer is call a friend with a tater, by swalling your pride realizing your dealing with 97000lbs thats sinking by the minute an the weight will definately drag you into the bog if it flips, what a great post that would be,I think it would go something like this, should have lissened to BOB , if your hooked to it an if the insurance com. determines that your actions were a determining factor in the pollution of the cranberry bog as well as the destruction of the tractor an trailer I hope you have a multimillion dollar policy or we'll sure miss you on tow411.I read a lot of post an for the likes of me I really can't understand why tower are so nieve an proud that they work for nothing.The nieve part is Towers don't understand there exposure The way the law works is the last guy to touch it, owns it,an a entry level lawyer for the plaintiff could easily win this one.Also make sure you homestead your house if your going to use 1 heavy on a 2 or 3 heavy job.All I'm pointing out is why in gods creation would you blow your lifes assets an reputation because you want to prove that your to cheapest,tow in town, OK you win, I give up,I don't know squart,but I will be at the auction.O well so much for fun ,now the real meat of it , first there is a huge frame behind the icc that is welded the entire length,the chain goes up an around the top beam then down, an is hooked in front,I know you can't see that because your not on seen BUT if you were there more than likely would have done it the same way,We seem to have a problem with people thinking that getting paid is something to be ashame of, chasing after money is fun or just part of being in business ,thats nuts don't trust anyone to pay your bill after the stranger is gone ,nice guys lose in business an companys that seem to be doing good must be screwing the public in someway,my old jewish friend also told me that if you want to learn about something, watch the people that are doing it suscessfully,don't waste prescious time watching the ones that arn;t because if they know, they would be doing it to.O well this is getting dragged out some,but lets keep thinking,It's good for the entire industry, an again a person with as much personal pride as you, has all my respect an admiration. thanks again for your comments an contribution, BOB PS no hard feeling,these mind battles are good for all of us. hpgtowing said: Bob... I am confused? I am in agreement with you. I agree with the use of two trucks... And as I stated? I would have also used 2 trucks... I don't know what objections have upset Eric?... anyhow.. Don't worry... I have no pride needing to be swallowed... Highpoint would have recovered it just fine... And without a Tator... And if it didn't drag your truck back into the bog? It definately isn't gonna drag mine back! I carry over 7 million combined Insurance coverage on my equipment... Could the job have been done with one tator? With the impressive iron you own? I'm sure you could have done it... Would I have? No I already stated I wouldn't. Not unless I had to. Then in that case I would have. Could the job have been done with 750's? Of course it could have.. We done it for 45 years before there were tators... And if we had to? We could do it again.. But I don't have to... I no longer own a 750 anymore .... But I am also sorry I don't.. And will soon buy another to have if I feel like playing with one.... I also don't work for free... Never did? Never will!... Just ask my competition that are always under cutting my prices.... I say let them have it...I own my property, My trucks and everything else... Before I work for nothing... I'll leave the trucks parked.... The only thing I said is that I would release the unit at he scene if I were paid at the scene.... Otherwise? No payment? No truck!... I expressed my methods of payment I would except.. If they were not met? You could rest assure that unit would be in my facility locked up till payment is received... Thanks.... I hope this clears things up Bob.... It sounded like you were upset with my post? Thanks... Stay well... Steve KySteve1 said: Steve I think he was talking to me.(KySteve) How confusing. I still do not know where price came into play because I agree with making money. I also agree with comments in Steve's post. I just think one truck was enough to safely do the job. And of course I know what is behind the ICC bumper. BUT looking at your pictures there was something else there, THE DANGEROUS CENTER OF THE LOAD. But you are right we have drug this out long enough. I am trying to scan some of my pictures so I can post them and have you guys critique me. I love it. It was a good safe recovery and in the end that is all that matters. If we had all the recovery money made at our break room tables we could all retire, right? Steve Strong, Suburban Towing, Louisville Ky hpgtowing said: Yes we could all retire.. And in Luxury... Thanks.. Steve... Stay well... BigWheelRecovery said: Well we hit another nerve! First I must apologize to Steve at highpoint, man you got a little cranked. I was addressing KYSTEVE an looking back I did put Steve for this I'm sorry, but lifes a continuous learning experience an I just learned that I don't want to be on your bad side, Woh! We have the utmost respect for you an your company,anyway I hope thats cleared up ,my fault. Now see if I can make my reasoning or explain to Kysteve what our thoughts on this job were?The more I look at your answer I don't think that I can explain it any better than I did maybe were just two very different people with different ways of doing things, but thats what makes the world go round,I've been towing for thirty years an I would not have showed up with a 750 alone on that call,an if I only had the one heavy I certainly would have called in another HD company to help,even if it was someone that we weren't the best of friends ,I don't care ,besides we'd be friends after this job,he'd might even call me in on a big one someday also,these jobs are great to get the lines of communication open. anyway signing off your thick friend, BOB hpgtowing said: No harm done Bob.... Likewise... I also look up to you guys... I see what you guys have done... Thanks Bob... Stay well and be safe.... Steve AZTOW said: This thread is exactly why Tow411 exists: Education and sharing of information for all. What works for one area obviously won't/doesn't work in others. here in Arizona and the Phoenix area specifically I believe it has to be one of the worst areas to make a living in the Industry. $82.00 and 2% per shift wages and average quoted $500.00 weekly income for Drivers is the norm. Certain Law enforcement Bids are awarded for Free towing and Free storage and then the Customers scream with backoaded $250.00 administrative/Lot Fees. District Attorney investigates along with Police depts and those without the Contracts plead and whine when they're not awarded the Bids. I would love to hear of similar fees existing in other areas of the country. I have always been of the Opinion that with a given situation 5 knowledgeable operator can and do approach a recovery and perform it differently and as long as it was done safely, that's fine. After being on this Forum for well over a year I've formed many opinions but remember what works for some may not necessarily work for others. In my Opinion Big Wheel, Highpoint and Kauff's along with Mr Barker seem to have very classy/professional operations. (among others) Working here in Arizona we obviously don't have to deal with the extreme weather and road conditions that deteriorate equip as other areas deal with. As I sat in my truck today my Thermometer was reading 135 Temp. Try pulling a driveline in this weather. Rant Off. BigWheelRecovery said: Aztow I don't know by your post if your a company owner or an operator, if your an owner you might have to see where the Statewide towing associtation is at on these regarlations .As an organition they need to put there support behind the polititions that are receptive to your plight,an start showing up at political funtions at realection time,give out your cards an document promises,secondly those were police order tows you mentioned, but owner request an recoverys should not be regulated,just a thought BOB MTA415 said: I guess I'll throw my hat in the ring. Big Wheel in MY opinion I think you made the right decision. Why risk it with one truck if you don't have to. At that angle and that gross amount of weight and the lingering enviromental issue you are facing if something goes wrong? you done the right thing. In the past have I done stuff with a 1050 and/or a 9055 (I'm sure all you guys have too) that was a massive undertaking and got away with it? Yes. Would it have been easier and safer with 2 units, hell yes! At this stage in my career would I do it again, no way! Taking risks and the "I think I can's" or "watch me wow'em with this one!" normally take money from you, not give it to you when something unintentionally goes wrong. If you got away with one, good for you but don't expect to get away with it all of the time. At only 17 some years in HD you guys got me beat by a good stroke but I ain't a dummy either ? And on pricing, every states regulations are different so far as what constitutes a private or "owners request" versus a munincipal or police tow. There are some places that don't allow owners request at all and I know this because I live in such a city/county. Do the recovery your way, whether its one tator, 2 9055's, 3 25 ton units, calling a friend with a big stick or whatever. If it goes well, good for you. If it goes to hell in a handbasket, well, you are in deep doo-doo. Take responsibility either way but I personally would feel like a dunderhead if it went to hell and it did'nt have to. Our job is not directly to save people money even though in a roundabout way we do because if done properly it saves them downtime and secondary damages and repair cost. Our job is to make money. Yeah we've all heard the "I'm in it for the thrill, yada yada" which is true to a point but getting a thrill and not getting paid? Screw that!! Big sticks keep on swingin' and little sticks pay attention to the big sticks that are doing it the RIGHT way and follow their lead and add YOUR personal touch to it, just for flavor... In the words of Dennis Miller, "Of course that's my opinion, I could be wrong..."
  7. 5-18-07 Received a call from one of our customer's stating that one of their loaded tt-units was leaning. When we arrived on the scene, we discovered a 110yd trash trailer weighing in at around 105,000 lb leaning hard to the right side. Apparantly, the driver cut the corner way too short and was luckily held up by a pole, which was supported. This load was going to the top of the dump. We responded with our 60 ton rotator, picked up the back end of the trailer, and placed it onto the roadway below. Last edited by BigWheelRecovery on 24 May 2007 14:51, edited 1 time in total. Tow1238 said: what is the underreach chained to the load for? Just wondering, that's a new one to me. BigWheelRecovery said: The swing motor on the rotator didn't have enough power to swing it over so i used the wheelift to swing it over so there wasn't alot of force put on the swing motor; couldn't get another truck. thanks ERIC JRhd34 said: I guess that would be a testimate to Miller's Planetary Motor and Ring Gear Strength. Way to be a quick thinker when your wrecker quits on you..... Good job eric. What other options did you have besides using the underlift. LAMB Towing said: One of the other guys here in town has an older NRC 40 ton rotator. He's had problems on and off with the auto level and anti-twist. A customer of mine called one day & had cut a turn too short with a hydraulic beavertail hauling 3 brand new farm tractors. My boom didn't have enough reach to boom over the tractors & lift, then winch back towards me. So I had him bring out his rotator. These were little 30 h.p. tractors, we're probably talking 50,000 pounds total. He got set up & everything looked great. When he lifted & tried to rotate, the boom kind of went into a freewheel, and the trailer went flying back into the ditch. The winches held and nothing happened, but it scared the hell out of me. He said the rotator has to be perfectly level at all times, or the swing motor won't work properly. Is this true of all rotators? BigWheelRecovery said: hi guys the tater has alot of power swinging i was on a negitve i dont think any tater would have swung in that situation it was just to much to ask for a swing motor so i used the wheel lift it worked out very well i will tell you the the miller has alot of swing power alot more than the a tac and the nrc . THANKS ERIC JRhd34 said: Eric.... My tator with the dual motor settup would have swung that load with no problem. Matter of fact come to think i cant remember when my turntable has ever stalled. Fly out and you can play with mine anytime. BigWheelRecovery said: Jim incase you might of missed the fact that we were dealing with 122000 acording to the weight slip, an we were pushing that load up hill with the brakes locked using the swing motor with the boom extended,that in itself creates a lot of leverage against the turn motor,under those sercumstance I think we were working above the design factors. But anyway we got it done. thanks again BOB JRhd34 said: Bob i was fully aware of the weights and resistance involved and that would have been no major chore for my truck thats why i am arguing the statement: "i was on a negitve i dont think any tater would have swung in that situation" my rotator would have completed the task and stayed well within my design factor. I was merely trying to convey that i was impressed for Eric's quick thinking when his truck reached it maximum capacity. BigWheelRecovery said: Well Jr that's interesting,but you never said what type of Tater you have.I know I'm wondering, an I bet a lot of other Tow411 members are on the edge of there seats also, thanks BOB ibuytoys said: In the crane world you should never swing a load that isn't freely suspended. This also applies to the rotator world. I believe the NRC would've also done the job, as the mast could've been slid to the rear and the boom left retracted. The load could've been picked up with the boom retracted and then the boom extended, but the slide would've really helped in this situation. I'm not knocking your job in any way. It came out very well in a tight situation and I love seeing pictures of your beautiful equipment in action. www.advancedtowinghawaii.com LAMB Towing said: JR has the orange B&B rotator that is posted on here from time to time. I don't believe it's an 80 ton though. Looks a little smaller, I was thinking 60 ton with a 2 stage boom? But if Bill Bottoms built it, it will probably perform as well as a 75 ton Century. JRhd34 said: Sorry Bob and Eric... I apologize for not explaining. I took for granite that i thought you knew i had an 70ton B&B rotator. wstowing11 said: It looks like when it wouldn't swing anymore you were off the tailboard pretty much. Probably would have been better if you could have extended the boom at that point to finish it up the road. From what I can tell of the pics . From the pics it looked like you had all the swing out of it to the positive, and swinging anymore you would be trying to swing it downhill . Nice job and nice thought on using the underlift !! BigWheelRecovery said: We're revising a little bit because it's getting a little involved, we like our truck we didnt want to take a chance on over-straining the swing motors. We knew the motor had a load on it, thats why we used to wheelift. We already know through the criteria that its not recomended that you pull or yank with the swing motors. The crane never stopped but from operating it all the time, we could tell it had a little strain on it, so thats why we used the wheelift. Because when the job is all done, we still need our wrecker, this is the way that we run all of our equipment. We don't overload or put a heavy burdon on any of our equipment. We are fortunate to have other trucks and equipment that if we feel another piece is needed we have it, We know the Century would have spun it but why take a chance of damaging something. That century is one powerful unit. thanks for all the nice comments, BOB wstowing11 said: I don't blame you at all for assisting the swing gear with another form of equipment. I have talked with and discussed that I will use another pull truck on heavy rotations also. Perfect example is a job we first did with a container over the side. I knew I could rotate it up and around, but why, I had a 50 ton there, let it pull hard and swing easy to rotate it around. Less abuse, longer life ! JRhd34 said: Nothing wrong with that ideology Bob... So in clearification the driver motor never stalled,,,, you just put the underlift on it to help? BigWheelRecovery said: JR thats correct, as time goes on an different situations arise we try to ad more tools to our personal experence tool box , that one came from Eric an I know we'll use it again in stead of takeing a chance of abusing our equipment,that being said I hope someone from another recovery co.can benifite as well. thanks again JR,for your replies, BOB John L Hawkins said: Gentlemen Jim here is the difference in the Miller product there are two Sterling PO check valves, they protect the planatary gear box one for: winch alignment to the pull and two for: overloading the swing control. ALL and I repeat ALL bearing and thus swing motors are designed to work on a level surface. This goes back to the "Establishing your Platform" Your unit has no such protection, and that is up to the manufacture. As far as the battles that come and go about tunnage, we base our ratings on actual documented testing. The same type of testing that we do on attachments and/or performance charts. These rating and performance applications are factual and are critical on determining our design BECAUSE design is how we determine structure and structure determines weight and weight to performance ratio, is our number one goal. Eric's creativity got him over the number one issue that all tow operators face "we do not get to plan" our adventures, "we have to deal with what we have been delt". "Establishing the Platform". Love the web site, just curb the egos, learing is a valuable experience. John
  8. 5-18-07 Received a call from one of our customes's to respond to their yard to lift a loaded 53' trailer. Apparently another trucking company was backing up to his dock and struck a free standing trailer and knocked it over against another companies trailer. We responded with our 60 ton rotating crane and one of our tractor's. We lifted the damaged trailer, cut away the broken landing gear the transported the 53' trailer to our shop to await the insurance adjuster. Joeniel said: Nice job, Big Wheel is set up for everything! That's the first time I've seen that tractor.. BigWheelRecovery said: Joe, we owned that tractor for 15 years it was a roll over that sat around for 6 mo.then the insurance company finally paid an said they weren't going to pick up the wreck, it had a sleeper at the time ,with in 1 week we removed the sleeper, shortened it , wet line an yellow paint then under the Landoll,we were very lucky 700,000 an no problems. thanks BOB rvanling said: Just wish you were wearing proper safety glasses when using cutting tourch, great job otherwise ! Mr Waialae Chevron said: Looks like that trailer has gone through some repairs already! Is it always raining in your part of the world? lol BigWheelRecovery said: Yes Barney in the last few months it seams that way,but that isn't all bad,the rain brings in work,also when you get a chance give me a call just wondering how that last discustion worked out. thanks BOB
  9. 5-5-07 Received a call from Pavao Const. to respond to Somerset off of Rte. 103 for their Tri-axle dump with a load of loam that rolled over behind a customers swimming pool. The truck was leaking oil & hydraulic fluid. Our first truck that arrived discovered that the cradle that holds the base of the 40 ton dump piston broke and the piston was sent straight down between the frame & driveshafts. The body was off the chasis in the front section and partially raised. Our crew chief on scene requested 60 ton rotator to lift the truck and our NRC to lift the dump body up and roll the two units together to prevent the very expensive 40 ton piston from getting bent or destroyed in the recovery process. This method also keeps the truck chasis straight and will help prevent an expensive repair. A Loader was used to dig out all the loam to reduce the recovery weight. After the truck was set on its wheels it was towed to our Freetown location. excessiveforce52 said: cool!!! good to see that I am not the only one with that "strap" mentallity..... I also try to use older (safe, workable) straps on lite or tore up jobs and save my good ones for the heavy stuff... BigWheelRecovery said: the strap covers have been around the block a few times but the straps are fine. Any way dump trailers have a way of eating your nice strapes so on light pulls we break out the veterans an save the youngins for the tough jobs. the customer called for a couple of HD wreckers,not being there we go as requested.In this case we wanted to cradel the body where the front was broken away,an prevent the rear hinge from twisting, the way it went nice an secured in place during the lift the truck ended being fixed insteed of extra frame or dump body damage,a little overkill apperance but saved the down time. thanks again BOB
  10. 5-21-07 Received a call from AA Will company to send some Big Wreckers ASAP to a large cranberry bog in Carver Mass. They explained that their KW Tri-axle 80,000lb hooklift truck with a spider on the back had rolled over completely upside down off a dike that goes through a large cranberry bog. There was diesel, hydraulic oil, and motor oil pouring into the bog. We responded with (2) Rotators, One Century and one NRC. Our crew used pads and a boom to stop the flow of oil & fuel. A short time later Frank Corp. environmental arrived and set up their equipment to suck up the oil. Eric, Adam, and Dave set the Rotators up on the very soft dike. They had to set quite a few heavy blocks under the out riggers until the units became stable. As soon as the stablizeres were lowered the large blocks were pushed into the soft dike. After we drove 4 or 5 8x8x24 blocks down we were able to set the legs. Eric then borrowed a 966 cat from the bog owner to bury the bucket into the ground about 200' away across the retention pond . He then ran the drag winch line across to the bucket to secure the 60 ton century and keep it steady. We then strapped up the casualty and lifted it with the (2) Rotators then barrell rolled it back onto its wheels. This method of lifting prevented any extra damage to the tri-axle. After the unit was on solid ground it was hooked up and towed to our Freetown location. We also had to used our 277 Cat skid steer track loader to build a ramp down into the bog to prevent getting stuck in order to retrieve the peat moss bundles weighing 1500lbs each. After the ramp was done we then put the fork attachment on the skid steer loader to bring all of the bundles to solid ground and restack the load. visit our website bigwheeltowingandrecovery.com wstowing11 said: Nice job again ! Why are the police there ? How did you get the line to the loader, did you walk the topside, and hook it, or run a rope, tie it off and pull it with the loader, then rehook ? BigWheelRecovery said: Well Wayne, its quite simple really how we got the line there, we used our amphicar.... And in order to respond to the scene quickly, our drivers have a variety of vehicles to take.... dont take us too seriously, we're just kidding around.. we have a whole stack of job applications already thanks, BOB wstowing11 said: Now that would be the way to take it over there !! If that didn't work the hugger orange hot rod , probably had enough juice to zip across the water !! ASAPautomotive said: Beautiful, technical job. O.K., I've got today's dumb question. Down here we've got swamps, bayous, spillways, canals, ditches, etc. But what in the world is a "cranberry bog"? BigWheelRecovery said: Donny being from the south you know what a turkey is? I'm sure ,well Thanksgiving dinner isn't complete with out cranberry sause, at lease in New England, cranberrys are grown in low sandy areas almost like inland beaches,they cover many square acres, In New England an Wisconson there are 100's of 1000's of acers of bogs,by looking at the above pictures will give you a good idea because they all look alike ,I don't know any other way to describe in short notice,hope that helps. BOB TowmanJC said: When you take that many pics the recovery never gets 2nd guessed from the insurace co`s!!!
  11. 5-26-07 Received a call from Mass State Police to respond to Rte 24S, S of exit 10 in Freetown. They stated that they had a box truck that was right on top of the guardrail. The operator ran away, truck was locked up, they wasn't sure if there was a load in it or not. They also stated that they were concerned about the fuel tank, so we couldn't drag it off the guardrail, being as though it was in a environmental safety area. We responded with 2 rotators, chained the unit up, lifted it straight up off the guardrail, swung it right back over into the median without blocking the highway. The State Police also provided 2 detail officers because that area is known to have quite a few high rollers going through there. The vehicle was then towed back to our Freetown location. Foxtow82 said: I'm surprised the parcel truck didn't roll from sliding as far as it did on the guardrail without rolling on it's side!! Handled very nicely! Trucks look sharp. Thanks, JARED xcessiveforce52 said: nice job, even though I dont believe-in working the tator off the front.... I see alot of guys doing it without a problem including J.Hawkins(Miller Ind.) I myself see future problems to frnt. susp. as well as frame behind the cab....I can be wrong , I hope I am wrong.....I just dont see/feel the need to take that chance just so I dont have to get turned around or to make police dpt. happy not having to stop traffic for turn around, were it may cause you $$$$ down the road.....all the years I have operated a tator never had the need for it and would not do it unless I was assured no damage would come from it....like I said nice job and you guys "ALWAYS" do great work, I am just not comfortable with working from the front. I have made this comment before looking for an answer from J. Hawkins or any one that can assure me otherwise and never gotten any feed back..... keep up the good work....glad to see someone is staying busy...... Jerrys Road Service said: Nice looking recovery.ive done lots over cab.i dont see any problems but Jorge brought up a good point i never thought abought before.unless you suspend your front suspention off front out riggers theres lots of waight up there but if you lift front end up 1st i dont see any trouble? Jerry's Towing Santa Clarita ,Ca ASAPautomotive said: Looks like part of the new FedUp Airborne fleet. Ya' know, I just can't believe one of those "professional" operators just "ran away". Another precision recovery from Big Wheel... as always. BigWheelRecovery said: Jorge if you look at picture 17 in gives sort of a side view of the boom extended, you also can see that the stabilizer legs are quite a bit forword of the boom supporting the weight ,which in this case is ziltzs.But if we were working with some real weight ,we would work off the back. Anyway its pretty cool to work the truck that way an not hamper traffic,working an having fun at the same time thats what we like to do,lifes great when you have a tater,thanks again Jorge BOB xcessiveforce52 said: Bob, I understand there is very little wait on this lift to possibly hurt anything ,for me its just one of them things that raise a concern and I cant get a definite "ok" on. By all means you guys are very professional and take great care of all your "impressive" equipment and I respect you guys for that and the great work you do and I enjoy the pics you guys post and I can very much relate to the way you guys handle your work and yourselves......continue the good work and pics and always stay safe.....
  12. 4-30-07 Received a call from Murphy's towing to respond immediately to Rte. 495N Exit Ramp #2 in Wareham to assist them in uprighting a loaded TT-unit that just rolled over. We responded with our 60 ton rotator and our 30 ton NRC. To work along with Murphy's dump trailer & loader, we also brought in our bobcat to help them load the product into their trailer. Then the State Police Truck Team weighed the unit. It was then towed to Murphy's Towing. LAMB Towing said: Looks like plenty of muscle on scene. If I were Murphy's, I'd be tempted to try out the little single axle. Empty end dump, what are we talking? 29,000 pounds max? Our little 4024 Century handles these effortlessly. BigWheelRecovery said: Bill, Murphys did the right thing, he got paid to train his crew,learn how the job supposed to work an made more profit with out a headache, an we were paid in full in 1 week ,he received 7 days storage on top. Now why not work together instead of doing the job with one medium duty. This business is funny we never know when our next recovery is coming, but we sure know when our next payment is due. thanks BOB LAMB Towing said: You're absolutely right about that one! The bills here come through the mail twice as fast as the paychecks. As far as working together, I'm fortunate to be in an area where I get along well with all of the local towers. We can actually sit together in a coffee shop without the roof falling in. I don't have any problems sending work their way if we're too busy to cover it, we do it occasionally. But if I've got a 20 ton on the scene of an empty (or soon to be empty) rollover, it's comin' to Daddy. BigWheelRecovery said: We don't own any small wreckers , we use F550 4x4 with the autogrip for all cars an small trucks, heavy KW ramps for s/a dumps an mediums an 2001 Freightliner 70/35 for heavy tows. I found that we can clear accidents or police tows a lot faster with ramps,you don't have the no keys, or blown tires ,ect, problems. We can do it with the 70/35 also but you might have missed the point,call me anytime an off this forum I' ll break it down, just sharing experience. thanks BOB LAMB Towing: No, Bob. I got your point. It's just hard to respond on here without some things sounding like criticism when they come out. I'm not on this forum to criticize you, or anyone else. We all do things that might look questionable to some, but make perfect sense to others. I certainly don't have your equipment or your payments, so my ways of doing business may be a little more flexible. BigWheelRecovery said: ya we didn;t get to use our loader its a sad day but our good friends have to make so money to plus that is our old loader so we didn't mind LOL LOL tobtow said: great job and good clean up and you have to love those bob-cats we have one and we do a lot of things with it thanks for sharing
  13. 4-15-07 Received a call from Columbia Towing in Fall River to respond immediately to the Fall River Pier. Apparently a full size cargo van with a full load of equipment accidently backed up over the edge of the pier and landed on a large steel fishing boat below. The weather conditions were terrible, 40-50 mph winds with heavy rain. The wind was slamming the boat against the dock and bouncing up & down severely. The van was sitting on top of the steel railing of the boat and the front bumper was just about touching the top of the pier. Tech towing was originally called by Fall River Police per their rotation list, they arrived on scene saw the gravity of the situation and hooked a saftey chain from the back of their truck to the van. The second problem was that the van was bouncing off the rail of the boat and dropped another six feet dragging the wrecker & operator almost over the side into the water below. We responded with our 60 ton crane and immediately set the unit up and attached it to the van suspension we then lifted the van about 2' feet and disconnected the chains from the smaller wrecker that was being dragged back. After the area was cleared of vehicles, we raised the van all the way up and set it up onto the pier. The owner emptied his equipment out of the van then the van was towed to our Freetown location. the other company had the wrecker only attached with one wire plus 2 safty chains, before his ramp got there, the van had the rear bumper sitting on the boat railing front on edge of dock, well the sea's were very rough an the ship dropped the van slid off the rail an dropped quick , the wire broke an the slack in the saftys was yanked an back went the wrecker making a quick stop against the large safty curbs, thanks for the curbs the water is 40 feet deep to acominadate large ships. thanks BOB
  14. 3-26-07 Received a call from Mass State Police to respond to the Martha's Vineyard ferry landing down in Woods Hole for an overloaded ramp truck towing a 1 ton dump truck, with an unsecured load. They stated that there was so much loose trash inside these vehicles that they wanted the vehicles lifted up and put into a container because they were in no shape to be towed. We responded with the 60 ton rotator and an autocar dump trailer provided by Murphy's Towing to the Woods Hole Ferry Docks. Upon our arrival, we discovered quite a unique situation. The fellow operating the ramp truck just tied knots in the chain holding the front axle of the dump truck to the tow bar, and the tow bar had no attachments even on it. The load was full of very type of junk you can imagine, hanging out of the vehicles, debris was falling as he drove off of the ferry onto the dock. The ramp truck was a 25 GVW gas job and had 2 crushed vehicles on top of it full of scrap, with a couple of straps holding it on. On the hood of the jeep was a car rear end just laying there. The wire rope on the winch line was completely destroyed. The ramp truck had bald tires and the truck he had in tow was the same deal. We lifted the two vehicles off with our rotator and set them in Murphy's dump trailer. We secured the load in the 1 ton dump then lifted the 1 ton dump up onto the ramp truck, then towed both back to our location with the rotator. Then Murphy's dump trailer dumped the cars off here followed by a pile of debris. This is the second time this week taht the operator has been caught doing the same thing. kw5030 said: Glad that did not happen on a public X-way doing 55 mph. That could of been bad. brostow 13 said: Okay I've looked at this about 10 times and I can't for the life of me figure out what in the name of God is holding the dump truck on the tow bar .It sure as heck isn't that chain ,I wouldn't use that to hold my dog .he did use his tag lights ....let me guess they didn't work .....lol.Never ending story . Good job Big Wheels crew. Mark MTA415 said: I normally don't call people names BUT THIS GUY IS A ****!!! They oughta take away this a$$h@l#$ license and newter him so he don't contaminate the rest of the local population!I hear and I forget, I see and I remember, I do and I understand. kstone said: Eric I really have to ask but why would you take the chance lifting bolth of those cars at the same time .It seems like a big chance. From what I can see the two cars are not "tied" together? Kevin Stone - A&M Towing & Recovery BigWheelRecovery said: Kevin, I didn't want to seperate the car because there was so much junk it was easy to lift the two together believe me i had them under control with the rotator . you just had to be there the job went very smooth. thank eric midnight mitch said: I still can't believe the cable pics. Some people just do not care about safety at all. Good thing he got caught. Maybe he will quit, or at least quit being reckless. Did someone report this, or did enforcement see on regular patrol? Mitch Lopina Mitch's Auto Repair & Tow Oakdale, Ca. Casey Burrows said: I know this doesn't relate to the subject line, but could you please tell us what all you have mounted to the top of your tunnel box? looks like cord reels and an air compressor. That is one impressive and beautiful truck!! Thanks for the pics. BigWheelRecovery said: Yes we do have a dump a dump trailer and our own roll off containers . but we like to use our good friends in the tow bis like Murphys they are great friends and they call us to help them all the time so were return and call them to give us a hand we work very well with the tow guys in the area so they can make some money as well THANKS ERIC . Joe I get a lot of request for our t shirts but I don't think I ever posted a picture of one.You know they might be ugly an you will just have another oil check rag hanging around,well next week I'll post a picture you can be the judge. thanks BOB njchuck said: Question DID YOU GET PAID? cuz if you did all this work and the guy said F-U then he would have to go through the crusher with his pices of s#&t! BigWheelRecovery said: Chuck we have the 2000 Sterlin an a 53 foot 2005 loboy in storage so I'm pretty confident we 'll get paid. THanks again BOB Slim Santa said: I have seen so pretty poor cable on a flat bed before, but that had to take the cake. AlDakota Service & Repair, Brookings, SD BigWheelRecovery said: Update: We got paid plus we junked the junk, it was touch an go but we prevailed ,thanks BOB
  15. 4-4-07 Received a call from a customer that operates the methane gas power plant at the Taunton Landfill stating he had a to remove one of his 17,000 lb CAT motors from the power plant which is a low entry building, bring it out of the building, set it down on a slab, then lift up and carry in the new CAT motor to be put in its place. Apparently these methane powered CAT motors run 24 hrs a day, 7 days a week at full throttle, strictly on methane gas which is a byproduct from the landfill. The power from these generating units runs a very large complex. This was a very tedious job where as removing it there were quite a few overhead pipes and a lot of critical wiring and transformer units. Basically, the motor had to be lifted gingerly and slid out between all these obstacles, and then placed on the wheelift to be transported about 60 yards away from the building this was accomplished by leaving the motor attached to the crane with the crane holding about 1/3 of the weight then we drove across the yard leaving the outriggers about an inch or two above the ground for stability then we had to repeat the same just in reverse with the new motor. The entire process took 3 hrs and the job was completed successfully without incident. MNPOOL said: Nice job. Now what all do you have on top of the toolbox ? unknown member said: hey bob did you have to reinfoce the tool box to mount your equipment on it or is the toop strong enough? When you lifted over the cab how did the truck react did the rear seem light, did you have the front wheels off the ground,if not did you notice if the front axle took any or alot of load looking at your pictures I never noticed all your extra gear on the box but man a,m i impreesed that truck is ready to rock and roll. BigWheelRecovery said: Yes we added a stainless steal plate under all of the equipment to make the box stronger and i left the front end on the ground because it was lifting the rear up believe me i was at max with that engine off the front but it worked out very well i do love my miller but i wish it was about 30000 lbs heavier to stay put but they have an awesome truck but people got to relize i don't tow with my tater much so weight don't matter to me and i dont have scales to deal with . THANKS ERIC Dave at Richs said: Hey Big Wheels was that Charlie from Minnesota Methane that you where working for? If so we have worked with him a few dozen times around Ohio doing the same type of work on thoses methane plants. Nice job! Some time you will have to give me your secret on how you keep your truck looking so good. Dale. xcessiveforce52 said: I have wondered and also asked if anyone from Miller can tell us , what are we doing to these rotators when we work them off the steer axle.....I will personally do everything possible not to work my truck over the frnt. ,in 15 yrs. of operating a tator I never have, glad to hear what you said Bigwheel,"your rear got lite,had to keep frnt. end down" goes to show how much more weight was added to the steer axle, never the less to the frame behind the cab(the tators reinforced frame stops behind the cab)remember you add the boom weight,along with your lifted load. Please, dont take this as criticism,I just would hate for something to be happening to these frnt. ends and later be driving down the road and have a failure to your STEER axle....as always your post and trucks look sharp...stay safe..... BigWheelRecovery said: i did not over load the front axle all i did was lower my front out riggers just so the front was touching the ground because the rear was a little lite it changed the pivot point about 12 feet and i know as well as you that 17000 off the front wasn't to much for the frame. thanks eric .
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