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  1. 5-30-07 Received a call from the owners of a very large cranberry bog in Carver to respond to the same area we were last week for another truck mishap close to the same spot as the last one. They stated that it was a 100yd walking floor trailer loaded with compost weighing in at around 97,000 lbs. The trailer was down into the cranberry bog leaning very hard. They also stated that they felt that the trailer was about ready to go over and there was some concerns about oil that would get into the bog and ruin it. Knowing the weight we had to deal with, we sent 2 rotators, the NRC and the Century. We sent Adam and Eric out there to handle the job. Eric had to rig the trailer real fast where as we felt it was going to go over at any minute. Quite often people call and say "my trailers about to go over", but when we arrive on scene, doing this as many times in the past, we realize that it wasn't as bad as they describe it, this particular trailer was absolutely ready to go over at any given time. The wheels of the tractor were off the ground, front and rear, the rear tandems on the left side of the trailer were burried into the cranberry bog. Eric and Adam rigged it, lifted the weight with the 60 ton Centruy and used the NRC to hold the trailer from rolling, and also provided pull while stabilizing the tt-unit an lowering it back on to the dike. After the recovery, the trailer was emptied and then the entire unit was towed back to our Freetown location. kw5030 said: Nicely done guys. Just a question though..On most of your jobs when they look drivable, like this one, why do you always take them back to the yard? Most of my jobs, they pay the bill and go. Or i tow them to a repair shop. Was there something wrong with this one? I know trucking co. dont want to pay extra for storage and 2nd tows. They want there truck back on the road ASAP!! BigWheelRecovery said: This is a recovery job, not a tow job. Whenever we work our rotators, they all go out on a 4 hour minimum. We know that most people dont carry that kind of cash on them and the only way we release a vehicle is with cash or certified funds. So all recovery-type vehicles are brought to the shop for the office to do proper billing. Most recovery jobs end up as insurance claims, the adjusters come to our shop, go over the vehicle, and we get paid in full from the insurance co.before the vehicle is released or towed to a salvage yard. One of the other factors is we felt that this truck was not safe to go down the road, and we didnt want the liability nor the responsibilty of the 5th wheel jaws breaking away because they had a lot of strain from the twisting put on them, If the trailed broke away somebody would be suing us because we released the vehicle, so the next day the owners of the T T came to the shop, paid us with a bank check, brought in another tractor to haul the trailer to there shop to check it out for any 5th wheel damage or broken crossmembers. When you recover a vehicle you have a automatic mechanic's lean an you don't have to release the unit until your paid, we have established rates per hour for each peice of equipment,we don't deviate from those rates an everyone pays the same,we take pictures of every recovery job ,an attach copies of the naritive plus a copy of the certified check, they are keep on file, this is important because if you ever have to take a insurance co. to court or someone else you can prove that your charges are consistance,we won every court case an only had to chace money a few times ,do your home work an don' t let any insurance company intimadate you,just make sure again your consistant. Also get paid before you release any vehicle,you weaken you lose. thanks again BOB TOwBoY88 said: Is it getting by with it ro just truely charging for the specialized services one provides...? I always said this and Eric told me it too; I can never tell you when my next call is coming, but I can always tells you when my next payment is due. Too many tow companies like being the "nice" guy who charges the insurance co. $45 and that is why they never will have any $$$ Ed Barker said: Is that 4 hours per truck minimum ????or is it 2 hours per truck minimum times your two rotators???????You ask "Whats it worth?????",,,,I get a two hour minimum on our rotator at $500 an hour,,,they say you aten't supposed to discuss pricing but I truly will never understand the reason behind that,,,,especially on a TOW forum ,,,,we are here to help educate each other about this industry and pricing is of a major importance.As far as our pricing we just figured what we thought it took to be profitable ,,yet reasonable. Thanks,Ed Da Wash Boss said: QUOTE One of the other factors is we felt that this truck was not safe to go down the road, and we didnt want the liability nor the responsibilty of the 5th wheel jaws breaking away because they had a lot of strain from the twisting put on them, Bob, one i want to say you guys do outstanding work one of the best. I was just curious if you were concerned about the jaws on the 5th wheel then why not dispatch one of your tractors to pull the trailer back to your shop? In your other post I read how you use same pricing for everyone and keep everything on file and ready. That is the best way I like your system. Its a tough business to begin with and going to court is no fun. Danny Cassello TRPC "EST 1963" Towaholic said: "What its worth" was the statement this to me says there bases are covered and thats what they get paid period.for any body to call this job just a winch out is ridiculous. and maybe thats why they under value there services. i see tons of repeat customers not just police work. but nevertheless i belive they are a specialized recovery team. and they build on that with addition of recovery equipment. maybe they dont want every tow job. thats there choice. trying to teach us something? I think so......... BigWheelRecovery said: Thank you towaholic lamb as far as you saying you have a 2 hour min thats great but we dont opperate on 2 hour min are all our jobs are usually recovery jobs . and i dont use 3 rotaters for just winch outs i think we do a very good job at what we do and i never said i knew it all but i can tell you we have done our share of jobs and i,m not in any way showing off im just posting and hoping to learn somthing in return i sorry you feel the way you do but what can we say you are intitled to your opion . but it looks like you are the reason that alot of good companys don,t post here anymore people told me you wont post for long on that web site because people will nock your jobs . but i told them you can nock us all you want ,. THANKS ERIC . BigWheelRecovery said: Well Lambs towing I think we hit a nerve,if I upset you I'm very sorry, I'm not that smart an I've made lots of mistakes in my life. But we keep trying. Every night I watch Fox news, O'REAiLY factor and I realize that there are a lot of people in this world that don't like another person or groups because of how they think or worship. So I respect your opinion but I'll do my best to answer some of your questions. I know you felt that this was a 2 hr job, but you might not of taken in consideration we had almost 1 hr. each way travel time. I do hope you charge from the time the call comes in till your back at the shop ,If I may I would like to address your winch out comment, if you attempted to winch that truck out then you would defiantly would have a recovery job because 97000 lbs would be on it's side ,an a major environmental clean up that you would have been responsible for the cost plus the damage to the tractor an trailer where as it had no damage until you tried to winch it. So bottom line doing the job your way with out being there an seeing the job could have cost you the Farm,thank GOD we got the call. As far as moving the unit together we locked the trailer brakes an worked the truck back an forth seamed good so we took the back roads to the shop nice an easy,the other reason for the concerns about the jaws is the company was heading to there shop in Maine 200 highway miles away,not a shot run through the woods, An I guess you have a problem with our rates, that's OK but every member of our recovery team is wreckmaster 6/7 an even worst than that they have me training them ,I watch them like a hawk by watching my post you should see we try to pay attention ,bottom line my crew consist of highly trained specialist receiving top pays plus a full benefits package including profit sharing.just about no one ever leaves, we have some employees with us 25years .When we tow we charge for a tow probably the same as you but when a specialize job comes about we charge for specialized people an equipment,just like the walkin but you need a surgeon different rate? sure.As far as you saying that we haven't posted a job that required more than one wrecker than you are definitely a better recovery person that I am.I also don't post all our regular tows we all got the car an small truck thing down pat I hope ,so no need to bore the viewers,as most of the tow411 family knows that we try to answer all the questions asked I hope than I answered some of yours ,please next time your having a bad day an you need to vent click on someone elses site,or just call my cell it's on all the time,now can't we all be friends thanks BOB ED our rate is for 4 hrs min each peice on every recovery job.Rotaters are very expensive as you know ,if you work for less in my opion your not covering your expences.The rate must be ok because the customers don't complain an the insurance pays us right away. thanks again BOB LAMB Towing said: Bob & Eric- Sorry for blindsiding you in a public forum. It is unprofessional of me to attack someone when they aren't right on the spot to defend themselves. I read and enjoy all of your posts. I see things in your posts from time to time that I feel compelled to comment on, both good and bad. I usually try to back off on the negative stuff because it's not my intention to be the tow411 Troll that never has anything positive to say about you and your guys. If you'll look back through some of your other posts, I've been just as quick to praise you and your guys. The only reason this particular job struck a nerve is because I've done three identical jobs in the last two days. I got what I felt was a fair price on all three, and all three of them were billed out at 2 hours each. This would've never come up if I hadn't been talking to another fellow member of this site from Alabama the other day about HD rates, and he used you as an example of what "could be". I can't say that you're wrong for charging that much, but we can't get by with it here. It would be great for us for a while, but word travels fast. I'm 29 years old, I've got 10 years in the business behind me and many, many more ahead of me. I look at my business as more of a Marathon than a Sprint. You've been going 25 years strong, so you're doing something right. I'm coming to Boston next month, I'll try to stop by and chat in person if you promise not to shoot me! Again, sorry for the blind attack. Towaholic said: I am glad this didn't get out of hand, that's a definition of professionalism in itself. LAMB I like your comment of what "could be" sometimes we don't see the whole picture we only see the job. knowing how there employees are taking care of says so much more of this company to me. and one more reason to charge what its worth. LAMB I am 27 with 12 years in the industry the last 5 have been as a owner. I started with one truck and now we have 7. what i have realized in the last 5 years is how dedicated we as tow truck guys are. I think that's were a lot of the fierce competition comes from We Love the job so much we do what ever to be out there doing it and not always watching the bottom line. sounds like we are a little in the same boat when it comes to areas not supporting really profitable rates. you cant do it over night or by yourself but if we all work together we "could be" someday. Joeniel said: This is really what Tow411 is all about... some may take shots at someone else once in a while, but in the end all turns out well and shows the professionalism of all the different companies in the industry.. we all come out of it, even the ones like myself who just read over the post, with valuable information that we can all learn from. Everyone is entitled to their own word and their own opinion, just as long as it doesn't get out of hand and turn in to real hatred. We all have our own ideas about the way things should work, and that is good... we all just have to be willing to accept others ideas too... Nice job Big Wheel! That spot is a good one eh? BigWheelRecovery said: Billy thanks for reconsidering ,did you blind side us ? oh yah.I remember when we started out new in this business we were like most running around for chicken feed saying today's a good day did 15 tows, only thing working cheap we lost 15 bucks per tow common in this industry, an the worst thing is a lot of tow operators can't see it, step out of the box for a second , work the numbers,don't have to tell me how much you disagree with how we do this just be glade that someone is trying to make a stand for all of us. When we worked for nothing we had more trouble getting paid we just decided to run it at a real professional level,starting off with getting professional training for every crew member,certification,hydrophilic licenses for loader an equipment operators,this will help cover you if you run into some litigation,an most of all make the investment into good modern equipment, If you don't know what a job is really worth don't ask someone to think like you just maybe they did the homework I look at a lot of tow truck drivers that show up here to retrieve tows from the day before ,my god no shirt stupid cigarette dangling from his lips,an he has his overhead lights going,give me a break when we wonder why we can't get paid what we really should,Most of the tow company's hire people with out doing background checks, this guy could be a level 3 sex offender but he's hired because he can drive a truck,how would you like this bum showing up giving your wife an daughter atow home, then leave with your keys to drop your car at the shop,think, he knows where you live, your house keys probably still on the key chain, think he'll pass a hardware store or will he stop in an get some keys, A lot of us are still living in the past when gas was 30 cents a gal.well this is the new world it's 3 bucks plus an your still at 1965 prices,an yes the customer will pay for professional service good people an good equipment command proper rates,you go to your doctor he does a little operation bag, 30gran insurance covers it,whats he got a stupid thing he looks in your ear,or another dumb looking thing that he hits your knee with,we show up with a 500,000 dollar wrecker an 20 to 30years of training an your worried about charging what it's really worth.crap,don't prostitute your bussines,this country is built on equal rights stand your ground the insurance co.knows what they pay the big dogs an what that proper equipment an properly trained personal accually saved them,look at it that way.O well just a little different view point it just agravates me to see how many people like working in one of the most dangerest occupation around an flont it that that they work for crap, an knock some others that invested in the right tools an the right personal .again just my veiw point. Think, also a lot of you I'm sure won;t agree, others might say maybe he's got something there,it's ok to voice your objections to me ,it doesn't bother us at all an I will look at your opinions seriously. sorry for the long story be proud of who you are an the company that employs you ,your work day will definitely improve BOB Ed Barker said: I feel we all have to know what we must charge and if you can get your price then my hats off to you,,,, but it does make a big difference I believe in what part of the country you live in,,,, we do a lot of the same type of jobs that you showed in this post around our area,,,, but on pricing a job like this it will usually run between $800 and $1200 to lift a unit back up and out like this one,,,, probably not enough for the job but sometimes they pay right up and thank you while some companies will just climb the wall over a $1200 invoice in this area,,,, maybe its from cut throat companies that charge a really low rate????? I'm not sure but like I say around here it just wouldn't hold water at $5,000 to $6,000 on a job like this,,, I mean no offense of any kind,,, just telling you that we can't make it work around here with a 4 hour minimum like yours,,,, although I wish it did work like that here!!!!!$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Take care,Ed You fellers got a very nice operation and I know you do a fine job,,,but any suggestions on how we could sweeten our local areas with heavier rates like yours?????,,also what is your honest opinion on why our rates in this state compared to your rates in your state are so much different?????,,,, I am all EARS Thanks,Ed BigWheelRecovery said: ED sorry it's your turn,I personally look forward to all your post, you absolutly do a great job,but if you think I can't, then you can't it all has to do with thinking possitive .A key part of this industry is to become a good sales man,you have to learn how to sell, your self,your training ,an your proper equipment,people are not stupid they know you have built your bus. a little higher than the average tow co.I look at all the wrecks you do, man if I lived in your area I'd have a ton more hotrods.That being said ,look at it this way you work 24hrs7days a week 365 a year,always out there when the weather is the worst,fling to a call at 2am then 3.15 after working 19hrs strait, an back in the shop at 6.30 for another19hrs.I think the hours make us all guffey, we buy ramp trucks for 85gran no one in there right would do this,you charge 35 for a local car tow an the people call you a bandit they;ll go to the Ford garage to change there air cleaner an pay 1 hr. min at 90 dollars an 18 bucks for the element an not complain,you stick a man in a 85,000 dollar truck,drive 17 miles round trip burn fuel an your a crook. O well lets all revaluate what were worth. thanks BOB wessex1 said: Bob, If it's of any significance we also charge our rotator out for 4 hours minimum charge as do most other company's over here in the UK. Keep up the good work, Paul LAMB Towing said: Our main obstacle in Oklahoma is the Department of Public Safety. They rule us with an iron fist. They were "gracious" enough to give us a raise on our non-consent (law enforcement) tows a few years back. Our heavy duty rates, which are published by the state and open to public view, were bumped up from $140.18/hr. to $180.00/hr. I feel that I am worth a little more than that, and all of my regular customers pay me another $95/hour. Most towers here, including some of our state association officers, feel that $125/hr. is sufficient to run their business and that's what they work for every day. This is mostly because of a very popular heavy duty tower, known and revered by people all over, who was active in our state and national associations. He created some of our biggest hurdles. He would advocate training and pay increases, then come to my town and many other towns and tow for peanuts with his add-on and homemade equipment. Nobody on an official level has ever sat down with us and tried to figure out what it costs us to operate, and that no two businesses are the same. They have just always gone by what this man thought was a fair price, and that's what we're stuck with. Our state association is finally becoming pretty strong here, so I see bright things in our future. But I have pushed for a rate increase on our heavies for the last two years, just to have it fall on deaf ears. Light-duty issues take precedent at legislation time (vehicle dumping the last two years, but still no success there). We've currently got four rotators in the entire state of Oklahoma. Two of them are actively pursuing crane work in the oilfield (one of those two uses theirs as their primary tow unit), one is actually used for recovery by a very large company in Tulsa, and I don't know much about the fourth but I hear that they just recently hired a very capable operator and things were looking up for them. The heavy-duty market is a funny thing here. Almost everyone in the towing business also has, at very least, a 750 Holmes to get them on the heavy-duty log. They can't work a wreck without outside help, but by golly they got a wrecker license and a spot on the log. They are allowed by law to charge the same rates for a $3,000 mechanical wrecker as we charge for new $200,000 to $500,000 hydraulic wreckers. As far as making money, they have the upper hand because if they take three times as long to clear a wreck, they make three times as much money. The truck dealerships each have deals worked out with an exclusive tower. This exclusive tower is dispatched anywhere and everywhere to do their tows. The exclusive tower gets his normal fee for towing on all first tows, regardless of their location. Then, this exclusive tower agrees to pick up all tow-backs for FREE! What good is that if every third or fourth tow is a freebie? Now you see why it is impossible for me to comprehend four digits times four hours. Last edited by LAMB Towing on 02 Jun 2007 18:46, edited 1 time in total. BigWheelRecovery said: Well Billy, thanks for the very nice detail reply but No ,is not in my vocabulary,if I'm told that I can;t do something you better have a good safty reason,or were going to give it hell, First of all this is the United States of America we have a constitution, an we have guaranteed freedoms,under the constitution, no government or law enforcement official can tell you what to charge for your services,if it's owner request.That's a legal business deal between to company's.no place for Government involvement here.That's business interference you can sue for that,An I'd take them all to court don't wary about the cost they have a rope around your neck now how much has that cost ,end it ,you have to make a stand our you'll be dealing with this the rest of your years an your kids in the business will also,so hire a good constitution lawyer an depose them all, an bring everyone into court ,an let them tell a Federal Court that you can't charge your rate to your customer. In Massachusetts heavy duty recovery's are not regulated only regulation are police order tows on cars an trucks an if the vehicle has com. plates an is off the road then the tow companys recovery rate kicks in .I can explain what rights you have but not on this forum, call me when you get a chance, BOB Wrecker Mikey said: Big Wheels, You guys got one hell of a first class operation keep up the good work and keep the great pictures coming KySteve1 said: I don't know why an operator would get on top of and under the low side of a trailer that heavy when it may or may not roll. Seems very dangerous. I do think it was a one truck job, when you have great trucks like that. Why not move to the outer edges of the trailer and set it over. I think the rate you used is right in line but I don't think the tow was needed. Once you have unhooked and gotten paid you are not responsible for that vehicle UNLESS they also paid you to check it out. I think you did a really good job but I also think it could have been less work and a bit safer. I am not knocking you I just want to state an opinion. Please don't be offended. BigWheelRecovery said: Kysteve yes that's a knock, but it's ok, I don't think you actually believe the driver had that cash on her, an the customer was from Maine so your telling me that I should send them the bill? How long have you been in business not counting next week.The driver after she ditched the truck ran from the seen across the bog trail an into the woods an didn't return until we were hooking the wrecker to the unit,crying like a baby an said she wanted the truck that the boss would pay us, that's a bunch of bull #####. If your naive an you let recovery's leave with out cash or certified finds sell your stuff now! before the bank does it for you,there seems to be trusting mind set in this industry that your going to get paid from people you don't even know for jobs that are already completed, Thanks again BOB LAMB Towing said: Well, I'm sorry you guys took such a beating on this job. I think you did fine, just took me a little bit to see it. You take the abuse pretty well, though. Look on the bright side, you got one of them flashy little hot topic dealies next to the post! KySteve1 said: Well oK then. First my actual point wasn't getting paid even though it became the center of the conversation. I looked up through the topic the only time I see you mentioned the driver running from the scene was now. This changes why you would tow it. BUT you said in the earlier part of this when you answered someone else s question was you towed it for safety and then mentioned you took them in to get paid. Now you said you hooked the first wrecker to it before you started climbing on it, I hope that you would know that if those lines hooked at the ICC bumper were enough to hold it upright then they would have been enough to go ahead and lift it out. That really made little sense. If those lines had come from outside the lower side of the trailer then it would have given stability. As they were they would not. I told you I wasn't knocking you, and I wasn't but I have been in this when 750s were still the top of the line so thank you but a lesson in economics is hardly needed. You finally addressed the point I was making in your second post. I think I have covered that too. As I said, I really didn't post this to step on your toes but if I did something that you believed was wrong I would want you to tell me. EVEN if I didn't like it all that much. You may save my life. I came back to this forum by request and was told people were open to learning. I can't help it if I truely believe this is a one truck job. AND one more time I DON'T INTEND TO OFFEND YOU. You wouldn't own trucks like those if you were an idiot so that in itself says you are experienced. Everyone needs HEALTY critizing. It is in the learning curve. I believe there is no one man who can out do me with a wrecker. I don't believe this because I am vain I believe it because I have proved it to myself by being damage free and alive. I choose to believe it to make it so. If I sound self centered and cocky, good. I want to be the best at everything I do. By believing it I can make it so.I hope this makes sense to you and helps you see past how my post sounds into HOW IT IS REALLY MEANT. It is meant to point out a POSSIBLE flaw in this job. KEYWORD BEING POSSIBLE. Do you know what I mean? I really am the guy who gives the shirt from their back, I swear. Ask anyone who knows me. Hope this finds you safe and prosperous. Steve Strong, Suburban Towing, Louisville Ky hpgtowing said: In defence? I have myself done recoveries that could have been done with one truck.. But for the sake of a safety cushion? I used a second truck... With fully loaded trucks in dangerous situations? I'll use the second truck... I feel we have nothing to prove to anyone but to get the recovery done in a safe, damage free manor... We all get our recoveries when we wish we had a second truck and for what ever reason there isn't one. It's on those recoveries we will use all our skills to complete the job safely.... I would have used the second truck also.... There are plenty of times I have to work my equipment hard... But why should I if I really don't need to... Steve... Yes I agree it could have been done with one truck... And yes even with a 750... If it came down to it.... But then set up would take twice the time at the least and when all was said and done? The cost difference would be small if not the same.... I to will not release a unit with out payment. However? I will except payment on scene via Com Check, T-Check, or Most authorizable fuel type check..( I have NEVER had one of these go bad) Credit Card, Cash or by Verified billing to another Towing Agency I am familiar with. And only after we have spoken with that Towing Company and verified the charge. This is just my thoughts on the matter... Thanks for listening... I think everyone has brought up some good points here on this post.... Just my thoughts.... Stay well all and be safe.... Steve BigWheelRecovery said: Well Steve, I really appreciate your comments,an objections don't bother me maybe Eric ,but I actually enjoy them,the good thing it gets everybody thinking running cenarioes though there minds, what if it was my call how could I do it with my 750? The answer is call a friend with a tater, by swalling your pride realizing your dealing with 97000lbs thats sinking by the minute an the weight will definately drag you into the bog if it flips, what a great post that would be,I think it would go something like this, should have lissened to BOB , if your hooked to it an if the insurance com. determines that your actions were a determining factor in the pollution of the cranberry bog as well as the destruction of the tractor an trailer I hope you have a multimillion dollar policy or we'll sure miss you on tow411.I read a lot of post an for the likes of me I really can't understand why tower are so nieve an proud that they work for nothing.The nieve part is Towers don't understand there exposure The way the law works is the last guy to touch it, owns it,an a entry level lawyer for the plaintiff could easily win this one.Also make sure you homestead your house if your going to use 1 heavy on a 2 or 3 heavy job.All I'm pointing out is why in gods creation would you blow your lifes assets an reputation because you want to prove that your to cheapest,tow in town, OK you win, I give up,I don't know squart,but I will be at the auction.O well so much for fun ,now the real meat of it , first there is a huge frame behind the icc that is welded the entire length,the chain goes up an around the top beam then down, an is hooked in front,I know you can't see that because your not on seen BUT if you were there more than likely would have done it the same way,We seem to have a problem with people thinking that getting paid is something to be ashame of, chasing after money is fun or just part of being in business ,thats nuts don't trust anyone to pay your bill after the stranger is gone ,nice guys lose in business an companys that seem to be doing good must be screwing the public in someway,my old jewish friend also told me that if you want to learn about something, watch the people that are doing it suscessfully,don't waste prescious time watching the ones that arn;t because if they know, they would be doing it to.O well this is getting dragged out some,but lets keep thinking,It's good for the entire industry, an again a person with as much personal pride as you, has all my respect an admiration. thanks again for your comments an contribution, BOB PS no hard feeling,these mind battles are good for all of us. hpgtowing said: Bob... I am confused? I am in agreement with you. I agree with the use of two trucks... And as I stated? I would have also used 2 trucks... I don't know what objections have upset Eric?... anyhow.. Don't worry... I have no pride needing to be swallowed... Highpoint would have recovered it just fine... And without a Tator... And if it didn't drag your truck back into the bog? It definately isn't gonna drag mine back! I carry over 7 million combined Insurance coverage on my equipment... Could the job have been done with one tator? With the impressive iron you own? I'm sure you could have done it... Would I have? No I already stated I wouldn't. Not unless I had to. Then in that case I would have. Could the job have been done with 750's? Of course it could have.. We done it for 45 years before there were tators... And if we had to? We could do it again.. But I don't have to... I no longer own a 750 anymore .... But I am also sorry I don't.. And will soon buy another to have if I feel like playing with one.... I also don't work for free... Never did? Never will!... Just ask my competition that are always under cutting my prices.... I say let them have it...I own my property, My trucks and everything else... Before I work for nothing... I'll leave the trucks parked.... The only thing I said is that I would release the unit at he scene if I were paid at the scene.... Otherwise? No payment? No truck!... I expressed my methods of payment I would except.. If they were not met? You could rest assure that unit would be in my facility locked up till payment is received... Thanks.... I hope this clears things up Bob.... It sounded like you were upset with my post? Thanks... Stay well... Steve KySteve1 said: Steve I think he was talking to me.(KySteve) How confusing. I still do not know where price came into play because I agree with making money. I also agree with comments in Steve's post. I just think one truck was enough to safely do the job. And of course I know what is behind the ICC bumper. BUT looking at your pictures there was something else there, THE DANGEROUS CENTER OF THE LOAD. But you are right we have drug this out long enough. I am trying to scan some of my pictures so I can post them and have you guys critique me. I love it. It was a good safe recovery and in the end that is all that matters. If we had all the recovery money made at our break room tables we could all retire, right? Steve Strong, Suburban Towing, Louisville Ky hpgtowing said: Yes we could all retire.. And in Luxury... Thanks.. Steve... Stay well... BigWheelRecovery said: Well we hit another nerve! First I must apologize to Steve at highpoint, man you got a little cranked. I was addressing KYSTEVE an looking back I did put Steve for this I'm sorry, but lifes a continuous learning experience an I just learned that I don't want to be on your bad side, Woh! We have the utmost respect for you an your company,anyway I hope thats cleared up ,my fault. Now see if I can make my reasoning or explain to Kysteve what our thoughts on this job were?The more I look at your answer I don't think that I can explain it any better than I did maybe were just two very different people with different ways of doing things, but thats what makes the world go round,I've been towing for thirty years an I would not have showed up with a 750 alone on that call,an if I only had the one heavy I certainly would have called in another HD company to help,even if it was someone that we weren't the best of friends ,I don't care ,besides we'd be friends after this job,he'd might even call me in on a big one someday also,these jobs are great to get the lines of communication open. anyway signing off your thick friend, BOB hpgtowing said: No harm done Bob.... Likewise... I also look up to you guys... I see what you guys have done... Thanks Bob... Stay well and be safe.... Steve AZTOW said: This thread is exactly why Tow411 exists: Education and sharing of information for all. What works for one area obviously won't/doesn't work in others. here in Arizona and the Phoenix area specifically I believe it has to be one of the worst areas to make a living in the Industry. $82.00 and 2% per shift wages and average quoted $500.00 weekly income for Drivers is the norm. Certain Law enforcement Bids are awarded for Free towing and Free storage and then the Customers scream with backoaded $250.00 administrative/Lot Fees. District Attorney investigates along with Police depts and those without the Contracts plead and whine when they're not awarded the Bids. I would love to hear of similar fees existing in other areas of the country. I have always been of the Opinion that with a given situation 5 knowledgeable operator can and do approach a recovery and perform it differently and as long as it was done safely, that's fine. After being on this Forum for well over a year I've formed many opinions but remember what works for some may not necessarily work for others. In my Opinion Big Wheel, Highpoint and Kauff's along with Mr Barker seem to have very classy/professional operations. (among others) Working here in Arizona we obviously don't have to deal with the extreme weather and road conditions that deteriorate equip as other areas deal with. As I sat in my truck today my Thermometer was reading 135 Temp. Try pulling a driveline in this weather. Rant Off. BigWheelRecovery said: Aztow I don't know by your post if your a company owner or an operator, if your an owner you might have to see where the Statewide towing associtation is at on these regarlations .As an organition they need to put there support behind the polititions that are receptive to your plight,an start showing up at political funtions at realection time,give out your cards an document promises,secondly those were police order tows you mentioned, but owner request an recoverys should not be regulated,just a thought BOB MTA415 said: I guess I'll throw my hat in the ring. Big Wheel in MY opinion I think you made the right decision. Why risk it with one truck if you don't have to. At that angle and that gross amount of weight and the lingering enviromental issue you are facing if something goes wrong? you done the right thing. In the past have I done stuff with a 1050 and/or a 9055 (I'm sure all you guys have too) that was a massive undertaking and got away with it? Yes. Would it have been easier and safer with 2 units, hell yes! At this stage in my career would I do it again, no way! Taking risks and the "I think I can's" or "watch me wow'em with this one!" normally take money from you, not give it to you when something unintentionally goes wrong. If you got away with one, good for you but don't expect to get away with it all of the time. At only 17 some years in HD you guys got me beat by a good stroke but I ain't a dummy either ? And on pricing, every states regulations are different so far as what constitutes a private or "owners request" versus a munincipal or police tow. There are some places that don't allow owners request at all and I know this because I live in such a city/county. Do the recovery your way, whether its one tator, 2 9055's, 3 25 ton units, calling a friend with a big stick or whatever. If it goes well, good for you. If it goes to hell in a handbasket, well, you are in deep doo-doo. Take responsibility either way but I personally would feel like a dunderhead if it went to hell and it did'nt have to. Our job is not directly to save people money even though in a roundabout way we do because if done properly it saves them downtime and secondary damages and repair cost. Our job is to make money. Yeah we've all heard the "I'm in it for the thrill, yada yada" which is true to a point but getting a thrill and not getting paid? Screw that!! Big sticks keep on swingin' and little sticks pay attention to the big sticks that are doing it the RIGHT way and follow their lead and add YOUR personal touch to it, just for flavor... In the words of Dennis Miller, "Of course that's my opinion, I could be wrong..."
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    Swamp Recovery.

    5-5-07 Received a call from a customer stating that his truck was stuck in mud. He attempted to have his friends come and get him out but was unsuccessful due to the fact that he was on a large stump. We responded with our large bombardier and retrieved the vehicle, but not without quite a bit of effort. The stump was jammed up in the suspension and made it a real difficult pull. With a little bit of work, it was out of there. It was deffinately a job for the bombardier because you weren't getting in there with nothing else. Jerrys Road Service said: I want to play? we need one of those here but i think we would kill it just playing around lol Jerry's Towing - Santa Clarita ,Ca Lamb Towing said: That last picture is hilarious! Nothing like rubbing it in a little. As always, nice job. We do a few off-road recoveries like this down on the South Canadian River, but we use our ASV tracksteer since we don't have Snow Cats in Oklahoma. I prefer to use (forged) J-hooks in situations like this, as I always feel kinda Faggy driving home in my underwear because I got my clothes soaking wet trying to be too professional. I've personally never seen anyone straighten out a forged J-hook. I've seen broken chains, but the hooks seem to be bullet proof. Awesome job, Bob (or Eric). BigWheelRecovery said: 2 j hooks attached to the pickup during the initinal pull,then one after the extracation to lead the pickup to dry ground,we didn;t want any of our crew laying down under water to rap chains or straps around the front axle,The is a party area for car theives an derilicks broken Beer an wine bottles everywhere including in the water for target pratice,so we took the fastest an safest way out an it worked fine. Sometimes you have to weigh both evels an hope you made the right choise. thanks again BOB
  3. 5-18-07 Received a call from one of our customer's stating that one of their loaded tt-units was leaning. When we arrived on the scene, we discovered a 110yd trash trailer weighing in at around 105,000 lb leaning hard to the right side. Apparantly, the driver cut the corner way too short and was luckily held up by a pole, which was supported. This load was going to the top of the dump. We responded with our 60 ton rotator, picked up the back end of the trailer, and placed it onto the roadway below. Last edited by BigWheelRecovery on 24 May 2007 14:51, edited 1 time in total. Tow1238 said: what is the underreach chained to the load for? Just wondering, that's a new one to me. BigWheelRecovery said: The swing motor on the rotator didn't have enough power to swing it over so i used the wheelift to swing it over so there wasn't alot of force put on the swing motor; couldn't get another truck. thanks ERIC JRhd34 said: I guess that would be a testimate to Miller's Planetary Motor and Ring Gear Strength. Way to be a quick thinker when your wrecker quits on you..... Good job eric. What other options did you have besides using the underlift. LAMB Towing said: One of the other guys here in town has an older NRC 40 ton rotator. He's had problems on and off with the auto level and anti-twist. A customer of mine called one day & had cut a turn too short with a hydraulic beavertail hauling 3 brand new farm tractors. My boom didn't have enough reach to boom over the tractors & lift, then winch back towards me. So I had him bring out his rotator. These were little 30 h.p. tractors, we're probably talking 50,000 pounds total. He got set up & everything looked great. When he lifted & tried to rotate, the boom kind of went into a freewheel, and the trailer went flying back into the ditch. The winches held and nothing happened, but it scared the hell out of me. He said the rotator has to be perfectly level at all times, or the swing motor won't work properly. Is this true of all rotators? BigWheelRecovery said: hi guys the tater has alot of power swinging i was on a negitve i dont think any tater would have swung in that situation it was just to much to ask for a swing motor so i used the wheel lift it worked out very well i will tell you the the miller has alot of swing power alot more than the a tac and the nrc . THANKS ERIC JRhd34 said: Eric.... My tator with the dual motor settup would have swung that load with no problem. Matter of fact come to think i cant remember when my turntable has ever stalled. Fly out and you can play with mine anytime. BigWheelRecovery said: Jim incase you might of missed the fact that we were dealing with 122000 acording to the weight slip, an we were pushing that load up hill with the brakes locked using the swing motor with the boom extended,that in itself creates a lot of leverage against the turn motor,under those sercumstance I think we were working above the design factors. But anyway we got it done. thanks again BOB JRhd34 said: Bob i was fully aware of the weights and resistance involved and that would have been no major chore for my truck thats why i am arguing the statement: "i was on a negitve i dont think any tater would have swung in that situation" my rotator would have completed the task and stayed well within my design factor. I was merely trying to convey that i was impressed for Eric's quick thinking when his truck reached it maximum capacity. BigWheelRecovery said: Well Jr that's interesting,but you never said what type of Tater you have.I know I'm wondering, an I bet a lot of other Tow411 members are on the edge of there seats also, thanks BOB ibuytoys said: In the crane world you should never swing a load that isn't freely suspended. This also applies to the rotator world. I believe the NRC would've also done the job, as the mast could've been slid to the rear and the boom left retracted. The load could've been picked up with the boom retracted and then the boom extended, but the slide would've really helped in this situation. I'm not knocking your job in any way. It came out very well in a tight situation and I love seeing pictures of your beautiful equipment in action. www.advancedtowinghawaii.com LAMB Towing said: JR has the orange B&B rotator that is posted on here from time to time. I don't believe it's an 80 ton though. Looks a little smaller, I was thinking 60 ton with a 2 stage boom? But if Bill Bottoms built it, it will probably perform as well as a 75 ton Century. JRhd34 said: Sorry Bob and Eric... I apologize for not explaining. I took for granite that i thought you knew i had an 70ton B&B rotator. wstowing11 said: It looks like when it wouldn't swing anymore you were off the tailboard pretty much. Probably would have been better if you could have extended the boom at that point to finish it up the road. From what I can tell of the pics . From the pics it looked like you had all the swing out of it to the positive, and swinging anymore you would be trying to swing it downhill . Nice job and nice thought on using the underlift !! BigWheelRecovery said: We're revising a little bit because it's getting a little involved, we like our truck we didnt want to take a chance on over-straining the swing motors. We knew the motor had a load on it, thats why we used to wheelift. We already know through the criteria that its not recomended that you pull or yank with the swing motors. The crane never stopped but from operating it all the time, we could tell it had a little strain on it, so thats why we used the wheelift. Because when the job is all done, we still need our wrecker, this is the way that we run all of our equipment. We don't overload or put a heavy burdon on any of our equipment. We are fortunate to have other trucks and equipment that if we feel another piece is needed we have it, We know the Century would have spun it but why take a chance of damaging something. That century is one powerful unit. thanks for all the nice comments, BOB wstowing11 said: I don't blame you at all for assisting the swing gear with another form of equipment. I have talked with and discussed that I will use another pull truck on heavy rotations also. Perfect example is a job we first did with a container over the side. I knew I could rotate it up and around, but why, I had a 50 ton there, let it pull hard and swing easy to rotate it around. Less abuse, longer life ! JRhd34 said: Nothing wrong with that ideology Bob... So in clearification the driver motor never stalled,,,, you just put the underlift on it to help? BigWheelRecovery said: JR thats correct, as time goes on an different situations arise we try to ad more tools to our personal experence tool box , that one came from Eric an I know we'll use it again in stead of takeing a chance of abusing our equipment,that being said I hope someone from another recovery co.can benifite as well. thanks again JR,for your replies, BOB John L Hawkins said: Gentlemen Jim here is the difference in the Miller product there are two Sterling PO check valves, they protect the planatary gear box one for: winch alignment to the pull and two for: overloading the swing control. ALL and I repeat ALL bearing and thus swing motors are designed to work on a level surface. This goes back to the "Establishing your Platform" Your unit has no such protection, and that is up to the manufacture. As far as the battles that come and go about tunnage, we base our ratings on actual documented testing. The same type of testing that we do on attachments and/or performance charts. These rating and performance applications are factual and are critical on determining our design BECAUSE design is how we determine structure and structure determines weight and weight to performance ratio, is our number one goal. Eric's creativity got him over the number one issue that all tow operators face "we do not get to plan" our adventures, "we have to deal with what we have been delt". "Establishing the Platform". Love the web site, just curb the egos, learing is a valuable experience. John
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    Trailer Down On Its Nose.

    5-18-07 Received a call from one of our customes's to respond to their yard to lift a loaded 53' trailer. Apparently another trucking company was backing up to his dock and struck a free standing trailer and knocked it over against another companies trailer. We responded with our 60 ton rotating crane and one of our tractor's. We lifted the damaged trailer, cut away the broken landing gear the transported the 53' trailer to our shop to await the insurance adjuster. Joeniel said: Nice job, Big Wheel is set up for everything! That's the first time I've seen that tractor.. BigWheelRecovery said: Joe, we owned that tractor for 15 years it was a roll over that sat around for 6 mo.then the insurance company finally paid an said they weren't going to pick up the wreck, it had a sleeper at the time ,with in 1 week we removed the sleeper, shortened it , wet line an yellow paint then under the Landoll,we were very lucky 700,000 an no problems. thanks BOB rvanling said: Just wish you were wearing proper safety glasses when using cutting tourch, great job otherwise ! Mr Waialae Chevron said: Looks like that trailer has gone through some repairs already! Is it always raining in your part of the world? lol BigWheelRecovery said: Yes Barney in the last few months it seams that way,but that isn't all bad,the rain brings in work,also when you get a chance give me a call just wondering how that last discustion worked out. thanks BOB
  5. 5-5-07 Received a call from Pavao Const. to respond to Somerset off of Rte. 103 for their Tri-axle dump with a load of loam that rolled over behind a customers swimming pool. The truck was leaking oil & hydraulic fluid. Our first truck that arrived discovered that the cradle that holds the base of the 40 ton dump piston broke and the piston was sent straight down between the frame & driveshafts. The body was off the chasis in the front section and partially raised. Our crew chief on scene requested 60 ton rotator to lift the truck and our NRC to lift the dump body up and roll the two units together to prevent the very expensive 40 ton piston from getting bent or destroyed in the recovery process. This method also keeps the truck chasis straight and will help prevent an expensive repair. A Loader was used to dig out all the loam to reduce the recovery weight. After the truck was set on its wheels it was towed to our Freetown location. excessiveforce52 said: cool!!! good to see that I am not the only one with that "strap" mentallity..... I also try to use older (safe, workable) straps on lite or tore up jobs and save my good ones for the heavy stuff... BigWheelRecovery said: the strap covers have been around the block a few times but the straps are fine. Any way dump trailers have a way of eating your nice strapes so on light pulls we break out the veterans an save the youngins for the tough jobs. the customer called for a couple of HD wreckers,not being there we go as requested.In this case we wanted to cradel the body where the front was broken away,an prevent the rear hinge from twisting, the way it went nice an secured in place during the lift the truck ended being fixed insteed of extra frame or dump body damage,a little overkill apperance but saved the down time. thanks again BOB
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    Now This Is A Roll Over.

    5-21-07 Received a call from AA Will company to send some Big Wreckers ASAP to a large cranberry bog in Carver Mass. They explained that their KW Tri-axle 80,000lb hooklift truck with a spider on the back had rolled over completely upside down off a dike that goes through a large cranberry bog. There was diesel, hydraulic oil, and motor oil pouring into the bog. We responded with (2) Rotators, One Century and one NRC. Our crew used pads and a boom to stop the flow of oil & fuel. A short time later Frank Corp. environmental arrived and set up their equipment to suck up the oil. Eric, Adam, and Dave set the Rotators up on the very soft dike. They had to set quite a few heavy blocks under the out riggers until the units became stable. As soon as the stablizeres were lowered the large blocks were pushed into the soft dike. After we drove 4 or 5 8x8x24 blocks down we were able to set the legs. Eric then borrowed a 966 cat from the bog owner to bury the bucket into the ground about 200' away across the retention pond . He then ran the drag winch line across to the bucket to secure the 60 ton century and keep it steady. We then strapped up the casualty and lifted it with the (2) Rotators then barrell rolled it back onto its wheels. This method of lifting prevented any extra damage to the tri-axle. After the unit was on solid ground it was hooked up and towed to our Freetown location. We also had to used our 277 Cat skid steer track loader to build a ramp down into the bog to prevent getting stuck in order to retrieve the peat moss bundles weighing 1500lbs each. After the ramp was done we then put the fork attachment on the skid steer loader to bring all of the bundles to solid ground and restack the load. visit our website bigwheeltowingandrecovery.com wstowing11 said: Nice job again ! Why are the police there ? How did you get the line to the loader, did you walk the topside, and hook it, or run a rope, tie it off and pull it with the loader, then rehook ? BigWheelRecovery said: Well Wayne, its quite simple really how we got the line there, we used our amphicar.... And in order to respond to the scene quickly, our drivers have a variety of vehicles to take.... dont take us too seriously, we're just kidding around.. we have a whole stack of job applications already thanks, BOB wstowing11 said: Now that would be the way to take it over there !! If that didn't work the hugger orange hot rod , probably had enough juice to zip across the water !! ASAPautomotive said: Beautiful, technical job. O.K., I've got today's dumb question. Down here we've got swamps, bayous, spillways, canals, ditches, etc. But what in the world is a "cranberry bog"? BigWheelRecovery said: Donny being from the south you know what a turkey is? I'm sure ,well Thanksgiving dinner isn't complete with out cranberry sause, at lease in New England, cranberrys are grown in low sandy areas almost like inland beaches,they cover many square acres, In New England an Wisconson there are 100's of 1000's of acers of bogs,by looking at the above pictures will give you a good idea because they all look alike ,I don't know any other way to describe in short notice,hope that helps. BOB TowmanJC said: When you take that many pics the recovery never gets 2nd guessed from the insurace co`s!!!
  7. 5-26-07 Received a call from Mass State Police to respond to Rte 24S, S of exit 10 in Freetown. They stated that they had a box truck that was right on top of the guardrail. The operator ran away, truck was locked up, they wasn't sure if there was a load in it or not. They also stated that they were concerned about the fuel tank, so we couldn't drag it off the guardrail, being as though it was in a environmental safety area. We responded with 2 rotators, chained the unit up, lifted it straight up off the guardrail, swung it right back over into the median without blocking the highway. The State Police also provided 2 detail officers because that area is known to have quite a few high rollers going through there. The vehicle was then towed back to our Freetown location. Foxtow82 said: I'm surprised the parcel truck didn't roll from sliding as far as it did on the guardrail without rolling on it's side!! Handled very nicely! Trucks look sharp. Thanks, JARED xcessiveforce52 said: nice job, even though I dont believe-in working the tator off the front.... I see alot of guys doing it without a problem including J.Hawkins(Miller Ind.) I myself see future problems to frnt. susp. as well as frame behind the cab....I can be wrong , I hope I am wrong.....I just dont see/feel the need to take that chance just so I dont have to get turned around or to make police dpt. happy not having to stop traffic for turn around, were it may cause you $$$$ down the road.....all the years I have operated a tator never had the need for it and would not do it unless I was assured no damage would come from it....like I said nice job and you guys "ALWAYS" do great work, I am just not comfortable with working from the front. I have made this comment before looking for an answer from J. Hawkins or any one that can assure me otherwise and never gotten any feed back..... keep up the good work....glad to see someone is staying busy...... Jerrys Road Service said: Nice looking recovery.ive done lots over cab.i dont see any problems but Jorge brought up a good point i never thought abought before.unless you suspend your front suspention off front out riggers theres lots of waight up there but if you lift front end up 1st i dont see any trouble? Jerry's Towing Santa Clarita ,Ca ASAPautomotive said: Looks like part of the new FedUp Airborne fleet. Ya' know, I just can't believe one of those "professional" operators just "ran away". Another precision recovery from Big Wheel... as always. BigWheelRecovery said: Jorge if you look at picture 17 in gives sort of a side view of the boom extended, you also can see that the stabilizer legs are quite a bit forword of the boom supporting the weight ,which in this case is ziltzs.But if we were working with some real weight ,we would work off the back. Anyway its pretty cool to work the truck that way an not hamper traffic,working an having fun at the same time thats what we like to do,lifes great when you have a tater,thanks again Jorge BOB xcessiveforce52 said: Bob, I understand there is very little wait on this lift to possibly hurt anything ,for me its just one of them things that raise a concern and I cant get a definite "ok" on. By all means you guys are very professional and take great care of all your "impressive" equipment and I respect you guys for that and the great work you do and I enjoy the pics you guys post and I can very much relate to the way you guys handle your work and yourselves......continue the good work and pics and always stay safe.....
  8. 4-30-07 Received a call from Murphy's towing to respond immediately to Rte. 495N Exit Ramp #2 in Wareham to assist them in uprighting a loaded TT-unit that just rolled over. We responded with our 60 ton rotator and our 30 ton NRC. To work along with Murphy's dump trailer & loader, we also brought in our bobcat to help them load the product into their trailer. Then the State Police Truck Team weighed the unit. It was then towed to Murphy's Towing. LAMB Towing said: Looks like plenty of muscle on scene. If I were Murphy's, I'd be tempted to try out the little single axle. Empty end dump, what are we talking? 29,000 pounds max? Our little 4024 Century handles these effortlessly. BigWheelRecovery said: Bill, Murphys did the right thing, he got paid to train his crew,learn how the job supposed to work an made more profit with out a headache, an we were paid in full in 1 week ,he received 7 days storage on top. Now why not work together instead of doing the job with one medium duty. This business is funny we never know when our next recovery is coming, but we sure know when our next payment is due. thanks BOB LAMB Towing said: You're absolutely right about that one! The bills here come through the mail twice as fast as the paychecks. As far as working together, I'm fortunate to be in an area where I get along well with all of the local towers. We can actually sit together in a coffee shop without the roof falling in. I don't have any problems sending work their way if we're too busy to cover it, we do it occasionally. But if I've got a 20 ton on the scene of an empty (or soon to be empty) rollover, it's comin' to Daddy. BigWheelRecovery said: We don't own any small wreckers , we use F550 4x4 with the autogrip for all cars an small trucks, heavy KW ramps for s/a dumps an mediums an 2001 Freightliner 70/35 for heavy tows. I found that we can clear accidents or police tows a lot faster with ramps,you don't have the no keys, or blown tires ,ect, problems. We can do it with the 70/35 also but you might have missed the point,call me anytime an off this forum I' ll break it down, just sharing experience. thanks BOB LAMB Towing: No, Bob. I got your point. It's just hard to respond on here without some things sounding like criticism when they come out. I'm not on this forum to criticize you, or anyone else. We all do things that might look questionable to some, but make perfect sense to others. I certainly don't have your equipment or your payments, so my ways of doing business may be a little more flexible. BigWheelRecovery said: ya we didn;t get to use our loader its a sad day but our good friends have to make so money to plus that is our old loader so we didn't mind LOL LOL tobtow said: great job and good clean up and you have to love those bob-cats we have one and we do a lot of things with it thanks for sharing
  9. 4-15-07 Received a call from Columbia Towing in Fall River to respond immediately to the Fall River Pier. Apparently a full size cargo van with a full load of equipment accidently backed up over the edge of the pier and landed on a large steel fishing boat below. The weather conditions were terrible, 40-50 mph winds with heavy rain. The wind was slamming the boat against the dock and bouncing up & down severely. The van was sitting on top of the steel railing of the boat and the front bumper was just about touching the top of the pier. Tech towing was originally called by Fall River Police per their rotation list, they arrived on scene saw the gravity of the situation and hooked a saftey chain from the back of their truck to the van. The second problem was that the van was bouncing off the rail of the boat and dropped another six feet dragging the wrecker & operator almost over the side into the water below. We responded with our 60 ton crane and immediately set the unit up and attached it to the van suspension we then lifted the van about 2' feet and disconnected the chains from the smaller wrecker that was being dragged back. After the area was cleared of vehicles, we raised the van all the way up and set it up onto the pier. The owner emptied his equipment out of the van then the van was towed to our Freetown location. the other company had the wrecker only attached with one wire plus 2 safty chains, before his ramp got there, the van had the rear bumper sitting on the boat railing front on edge of dock, well the sea's were very rough an the ship dropped the van slid off the rail an dropped quick , the wire broke an the slack in the saftys was yanked an back went the wrecker making a quick stop against the large safty curbs, thanks for the curbs the water is 40 feet deep to acominadate large ships. thanks BOB
  10. 3-26-07 Received a call from Mass State Police to respond to the Martha's Vineyard ferry landing down in Woods Hole for an overloaded ramp truck towing a 1 ton dump truck, with an unsecured load. They stated that there was so much loose trash inside these vehicles that they wanted the vehicles lifted up and put into a container because they were in no shape to be towed. We responded with the 60 ton rotator and an autocar dump trailer provided by Murphy's Towing to the Woods Hole Ferry Docks. Upon our arrival, we discovered quite a unique situation. The fellow operating the ramp truck just tied knots in the chain holding the front axle of the dump truck to the tow bar, and the tow bar had no attachments even on it. The load was full of very type of junk you can imagine, hanging out of the vehicles, debris was falling as he drove off of the ferry onto the dock. The ramp truck was a 25 GVW gas job and had 2 crushed vehicles on top of it full of scrap, with a couple of straps holding it on. On the hood of the jeep was a car rear end just laying there. The wire rope on the winch line was completely destroyed. The ramp truck had bald tires and the truck he had in tow was the same deal. We lifted the two vehicles off with our rotator and set them in Murphy's dump trailer. We secured the load in the 1 ton dump then lifted the 1 ton dump up onto the ramp truck, then towed both back to our location with the rotator. Then Murphy's dump trailer dumped the cars off here followed by a pile of debris. This is the second time this week taht the operator has been caught doing the same thing. kw5030 said: Glad that did not happen on a public X-way doing 55 mph. That could of been bad. brostow 13 said: Okay I've looked at this about 10 times and I can't for the life of me figure out what in the name of God is holding the dump truck on the tow bar .It sure as heck isn't that chain ,I wouldn't use that to hold my dog .he did use his tag lights ....let me guess they didn't work .....lol.Never ending story . Good job Big Wheels crew. Mark MTA415 said: I normally don't call people names BUT THIS GUY IS A ****!!! They oughta take away this a$$h@l#$ license and newter him so he don't contaminate the rest of the local population!I hear and I forget, I see and I remember, I do and I understand. kstone said: Eric I really have to ask but why would you take the chance lifting bolth of those cars at the same time .It seems like a big chance. From what I can see the two cars are not "tied" together? Kevin Stone - A&M Towing & Recovery BigWheelRecovery said: Kevin, I didn't want to seperate the car because there was so much junk it was easy to lift the two together believe me i had them under control with the rotator . you just had to be there the job went very smooth. thank eric midnight mitch said: I still can't believe the cable pics. Some people just do not care about safety at all. Good thing he got caught. Maybe he will quit, or at least quit being reckless. Did someone report this, or did enforcement see on regular patrol? Mitch Lopina Mitch's Auto Repair & Tow Oakdale, Ca. Casey Burrows said: I know this doesn't relate to the subject line, but could you please tell us what all you have mounted to the top of your tunnel box? looks like cord reels and an air compressor. That is one impressive and beautiful truck!! Thanks for the pics. BigWheelRecovery said: Yes we do have a dump a dump trailer and our own roll off containers . but we like to use our good friends in the tow bis like Murphys they are great friends and they call us to help them all the time so were return and call them to give us a hand we work very well with the tow guys in the area so they can make some money as well THANKS ERIC . Joe I get a lot of request for our t shirts but I don't think I ever posted a picture of one.You know they might be ugly an you will just have another oil check rag hanging around,well next week I'll post a picture you can be the judge. thanks BOB njchuck said: Question DID YOU GET PAID? cuz if you did all this work and the guy said F-U then he would have to go through the crusher with his pices of s#&t! BigWheelRecovery said: Chuck we have the 2000 Sterlin an a 53 foot 2005 loboy in storage so I'm pretty confident we 'll get paid. THanks again BOB Slim Santa said: I have seen so pretty poor cable on a flat bed before, but that had to take the cake. AlDakota Service & Repair, Brookings, SD BigWheelRecovery said: Update: We got paid plus we junked the junk, it was touch an go but we prevailed ,thanks BOB
  11. 4-4-07 Received a call from a customer that operates the methane gas power plant at the Taunton Landfill stating he had a to remove one of his 17,000 lb CAT motors from the power plant which is a low entry building, bring it out of the building, set it down on a slab, then lift up and carry in the new CAT motor to be put in its place. Apparently these methane powered CAT motors run 24 hrs a day, 7 days a week at full throttle, strictly on methane gas which is a byproduct from the landfill. The power from these generating units runs a very large complex. This was a very tedious job where as removing it there were quite a few overhead pipes and a lot of critical wiring and transformer units. Basically, the motor had to be lifted gingerly and slid out between all these obstacles, and then placed on the wheelift to be transported about 60 yards away from the building this was accomplished by leaving the motor attached to the crane with the crane holding about 1/3 of the weight then we drove across the yard leaving the outriggers about an inch or two above the ground for stability then we had to repeat the same just in reverse with the new motor. The entire process took 3 hrs and the job was completed successfully without incident. MNPOOL said: Nice job. Now what all do you have on top of the toolbox ? unknown member said: hey bob did you have to reinfoce the tool box to mount your equipment on it or is the toop strong enough? When you lifted over the cab how did the truck react did the rear seem light, did you have the front wheels off the ground,if not did you notice if the front axle took any or alot of load looking at your pictures I never noticed all your extra gear on the box but man a,m i impreesed that truck is ready to rock and roll. BigWheelRecovery said: Yes we added a stainless steal plate under all of the equipment to make the box stronger and i left the front end on the ground because it was lifting the rear up believe me i was at max with that engine off the front but it worked out very well i do love my miller but i wish it was about 30000 lbs heavier to stay put but they have an awesome truck but people got to relize i don't tow with my tater much so weight don't matter to me and i dont have scales to deal with . THANKS ERIC Dave at Richs said: Hey Big Wheels was that Charlie from Minnesota Methane that you where working for? If so we have worked with him a few dozen times around Ohio doing the same type of work on thoses methane plants. Nice job! Some time you will have to give me your secret on how you keep your truck looking so good. Dale. xcessiveforce52 said: I have wondered and also asked if anyone from Miller can tell us , what are we doing to these rotators when we work them off the steer axle.....I will personally do everything possible not to work my truck over the frnt. ,in 15 yrs. of operating a tator I never have, glad to hear what you said Bigwheel,"your rear got lite,had to keep frnt. end down" goes to show how much more weight was added to the steer axle, never the less to the frame behind the cab(the tators reinforced frame stops behind the cab)remember you add the boom weight,along with your lifted load. Please, dont take this as criticism,I just would hate for something to be happening to these frnt. ends and later be driving down the road and have a failure to your STEER axle....as always your post and trucks look sharp...stay safe..... BigWheelRecovery said: i did not over load the front axle all i did was lower my front out riggers just so the front was touching the ground because the rear was a little lite it changed the pivot point about 12 feet and i know as well as you that 17000 off the front wasn't to much for the frame. thanks eric .
  12. 3-30-07 Received a call from NBPD to respond to Park St at Richmond St for a heavy duty tow. Apparantly, a GMC ramp truick was travelling east on Park and swerved to avoid a collision and struck a light pole, destroying the truck. The police also stated taht the front axle was completely ripped off and the tires were under the fuel tank. We responded with our 60 ton rotator as well as one of our Landoll units to carry the ramp back to oru shop. Upon our arrival, we had to spread speedy dry over the entire area to prevent our crew from working in fluids that were spilled. We then set chains on the front and rear sections of the chassis under the ramp body and then lfited the truck straight up off the light post. We then had to pull the front axle that wa almost cokpletely ripped of forward and then chain it in place so the tires and wheels were away from the fuel tanks. We then completed the the lift and backed the Landoll trailer under the destroyed truck. Our crew then cleaned the entire area. The ramp truck was then trasported to our Freetown location. Once at the shop, we used both of our HD Volvo loaders to lift the truck off the Landoll. The ramp trucks wheels in the rear were locked up from the impact, the transmission was pushed back and cracked, and the drive shaft was jammed back into the rear end chuck.
  13. 3-16-07 Received a call from dartmouth fire district to respond immediately out into the far end of dartmouth for one of their brand new $400,000 pumper trucks that just went off the edge of the dirt road and might have caused some damage underneath to the valves and the piping system. We responded with our 60 ton rotator. Upon arrival, we observed the piping that goes for the front and rear hose hard on the ground. We decided the best way was to lift the entire truck up and then winch it backwards to get it back onto the road. We had the FD empty all the water out of it, we raised the cab up, chained the frame, lifted the truck up on the side of the motor and winched the rear end back over onto the road. This way here by elevating it we didn’t do any damage to the under carriage. It was put back in service immediately. danielswt said: very nicely done. did you keep the brakes locked on it to controll the movment better? BigWheelRecovery said: yes i left the brakes locked so i could controll the engine and the vec came out the way i was pulling with the rear strap . the job went very well and the fire dept was very happy . bigtow00 said: Good job, good lookin' truck. My only concern is that fireman in pic #8 standing 5' from you wire rope. Just goes to show you can't control everything. Life is about the journey, not the destination. Jason Ray Heavy Duty Specialist/TRIP Supervisor School of hard knocks Membership # 05101978 (Charter Member) "My Views may not reflect the views of my employer" BigWheelRecovery said: The fire man was not there when i was winchin he walked over there when i put the remote down so i could check the rigging if you look close the remote is on the back of the tater . i have to say the guys on tow 411 dont miss a trick . but some times very very quick to judge . but we dont mind that is why we post . THANKS ERIC ...
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    Easy Job For The Tator

    3-13-07 Received a call from a local customer saying that he needed to have his body that was on the ground, hoisted up so that his truck could drive underneath it to be bolted on. We used the rotator so we could boom out and swing if necessary to align it with the bolt holes.
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    4-3-03 Received a call from Freetown Police to respond to Rte. 79 Assonet for a vehicle that rolled out of a yard down a steep embankment and into the Assonet River. The doors and windows were closed so the car floated out into the fast current and down the center of the river, evidently the car got hung up in the middle of the river on a stump. We located the vehicle's owner and they gave us written permission to recover their car. There was no access to the car from shore, and where the car was hung up in the shore area was low and a wet land sensitive area. We brought in our 60 ton rotator so we would have the reach to lift the car over a 5 foot wall out of the wet land and on to our ramp truck. Our diver went out into the river with his equipment to hook up the car to the long wire rope from the crane. the rigging equipment was carried out into the river in our rubber recovery boat. Our diver dove under the car and secured a sling to the lower suspension. We then hooked up a snatch block to a large tree on the shore to direct the car to the only slightly clear spot where it could be brought in without cutting any trees out of the way or climbing up the steep bank and doing environmental damage. The local environmentalists were going to make an issue and an expensive clean up would have occurred. After the car was winched into this area our crane lifted it straight up and onto our ramp truck. We closed up the rotator and completely checked the area for oil, transmission fluid, and debris and the area was clear and everything was back to the way it was before the recovery with no issues from the local environmentalists.