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Chad Yarbrough

Petition to drivetrain manufactures

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If anyone has any connections with manufactures, I would like to send them a petition to make transmissions have an easier disconnect. If a rear differential can be engaged or disengaged with the flip of a switch, a transmission should be able to have the same feature. There have been several instances where I have personally been placed in jeopardy by having to pull a driveshaft in a dangerous area because the vehicle couldn't be moved without damaging the trans.  Towers have to face too much danger as it is. These manufactures should not jeopardize our lives by having to choose between the liability of a transmission or our life.  Your ideas and responses are encouraged. I know this is a long-shot battle, but it needs to start somehow.  If everyone could reply with their name, company name, and date, it will be much appreciated.

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OK, who do we have that is good at wording such a petition. Possibly Brian Riker, Jeffrey Godwin, Scott Burrows, Rudy Smith, Mike Pool, Michael McGovern, etc. Cause I know I am missing others, these are just member that have been around the message board longer.

 

I know I can write it, if only I had the collective knowledge of the membership.

Let's give it a try and we'll send it in the right direction. I got that part figured out!

Problem is we will need more than 4000 verified tow companies participating.

 

@brian991219 @FTI Groups @Scott Burrows @Rudy Smith @MNPOOL @Michael McGovern

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This is a start ! Thank you for replying ! I am sure Everyone you mentioned would have valuable input! I am new on tow force, so I am not sure how to get more traction with this. However this idea has been stuck in my head for quite some time and I am sure there is technology to create a switch that will disable the driveline and protect the transmission and the tower ! 

I have mentioned it to TRAA as well and would love any information/ input on this . 

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Chad, the Military has had this for years. While there must be some reason similar technology has not been incorporated into civilian vehicles. It is something the towing industry has been bought baffled by and endangered by for years. I'm not referring as much to the hassle of the drive line as I am to the dangers. Roadside safety being one of those dangers. Flipping a switch or pulling a pin would reduce the risks greatly. But, instead we've gotten new designs that make towing more challenging from front axles to aerodynamics. I doubt a petition is going to make a difference, since getting a few tow companies onboard is easy. Getting a minimum of 10% of the industry to sign on much more difficult. Then again I do not know how many Heavy Duty Tow Companies there are in say North America. I only know there are reported to be between 40,000 & 41,000 US Tow Companies.

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Why is 4,000 the “magic number “ I am confident we can get that many however . Also, I think even light duty towers have a fight in this as well. Small box trucks and small to medium duty vehicles would apply to this as well in my opinion. 

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How about cars too?  BMW doesn't allow you to use dollies.  When one is stuck in park, you are expected to skate it.  Yes it can be done damage free just like those nifty tow show demonstrations.  In the real world, how often is the car perfectly centered right behind the bed with the wheels facing straight?  This is especially fun on the highway, in a short driveway on a main road, or a tight parking lot.  How about when you go to drop.  Not every dealership or shop has a huge lot with plenty of room to drive out from under the car.  I've noticed they never show how to unload a BMW in the training videos.  

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I do agree it is a hassle . However, there are ways to unload them with skates and utilizing a snatch block to reverse the pull to the end of the bed . I’m not sure about BMW not allowing dollies . I do know Mercedes call for dollies and or flatbed with skates . 

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You have to be careful putting some BMW's on a wheel lift. They will actually bend the carbonite frame. Not all models have it but i can never remember which ones.

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On 11/9/2019 at 3:11 PM, TowZone said:

OK, who do we have that is good at wording such a petition. Possibly Brian Riker, Jeffrey Godwin, Scott Burrows, Rudy Smith, Mike Pool, Michael McGovern, etc. Cause I know I am missing others, these are just member that have been around the message board longer.

 

I know I can write it, if only I had the collective knowledge of the membership.

Let's give it a try and we'll send it in the right direction. I got that part figured out!

Problem is we will need more than 4000 verified tow companies participating.

 

@brian991219 @FTI Groups @Scott Burrows @Rudy Smith @MNPOOL @Michael McGovern

Happy to help Ron, just have to figure out what we want to say.

 

I have long been a proponent of easier and more consistent tow hookups on all vehicles with a special focus on heavy duty. It baffles me why we do not have a simple drive line disconnect as well as universal air and electric hookups to make lights and brakes very simple. Again, to adopt from the military vehicles that already have this technology would seem simple. From my understanding of the manufacturing process this is not done mostly for cost. Given the economy of scale a simple $5 redesign sounds like a no-brainer, however multiply that by half a million vehicles per year and you can see why the manufacturers are reluctant to make these changes.

 

Chad, glad to see you as a new member here. I am sure you will find this a very informative and useful forum for the industry. Thank you for your participation.

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Brian, I have also thought about trying to make this a legislative issue during our summit in DC. Maybe that will be a way to grab our congress persons ear. Towers should not have to choose between the liability of a transmission or the liability of loosing our life!

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They need to make All Wheel Drive cars front wheel only when no power is turned on. Volvo is like this and i believe the Honda's are also but not sure.

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10 hours ago, Chad Yarbrough said:

Brian, I have also thought about trying to make this a legislative issue during our summit in DC. Maybe that will be a way to grab our congress persons ear. Towers should not have to choose between the liability of a transmission or the liability of loosing our life!

Chad, I will second that motion if you present it.

 

We also need to speak to the representatives that are on the SAE towability committee as well as those on the individual truck manufacturer's advisory boards. This issue has been raised in the past with little success, however we are facing a crisis unparalleled in the tow industry with the loss of life and distracted driving at an all time high. It is time to address tower safety from many angles, and this is an important angle to address.

 

As vehicle designs change, think of the introduction of all electric vehicles -many that will use individual drive motors at the wheel end or planetary drives like the city buses do- we need to find a universal accepted tow hook up procedure for lights, brakes and drive line disable features. Having universal front and rear attachment points for both lifting as well as the lights, brakes and a means of drive line disconnect would solve the towability issues for 80-90% of normal tows. Sure, after crashes, fires or other extraordinary circumstances towers would still be faced with difficult hookup procedures, but the typical daily tow would be so much easier and safer. This could even eliminate other damage claims, not just drive train damage claims.

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